Morning vomit passing out

[Chad Morgan]

Morning vomit + faint (video)

I'm super excited to have found this forum!

Trying to discover the issue with my 9 month old English Bulldog Rosie.

About twice a month she will wake up (always in the morning), sit up and lick her lips like she has too much saliva.

Then she will begin to hack like she's trying to throw up but can't. That leads to her passing out and throwing up clear liquid and foam. Occasionally she will pee but that only happens if she hasn't been out yet.

Sometimes after an episode she will be sluggish and not her typical playful self for the remainder of the day.

Other times she gets back up like nothing had happened.

I originally thought it was from her not getting enough oxygen at night and over heating.

We had her soft palate and stenotic nares surgery done about two weeks ago but the problem still persists.

Although it looks like a seizure I don't think it is as it always happens in the morning following the hacking.


Any ideas? I would appreciate any thoughts from you guys!

 

[2BullyMama]

I tagged members that are familiar with seizures and may be able to give some insight.

That is scary... I would first think she was maybe hungry but after watching the whole video, that does not seem to be the case

 

[cali baker]

From your description and before I watched the video, I thought seizures right away. When I saw the urinary incontinence go along with it, I'm leaning towards seizures more now. Also, the lip smacking is seen in seizures, and the fact that she's lethargic and "not herself" for the rest of the day as you mentioned is typical after a seizure occurs. I do hope you get some answers to this. Sweet little girl.

 

[Manydogs]

I agree-thinking it was morning hunger-but it looks now to be a seizure. I would show this video to your vet.

 

[Chad Morgan]

Thanks for the reply. Are seizures that consistent? It always happens the same way in the morning. Starts by excess saliva followed by hacking, fainting then vomiting liquidy foam. Most of the time she's fine after the episode. Sometimes it's not as bad and she doesn't faint like in the video. We're trying to document to find the common denominator. Yesterday she walked with me in the city for about two miles. Wondering if excess excercise could lead to it. I'm not pushing her too hard although she can't talk so maybe I am!

 

[cali baker]

Thanks for the reply. Are seizures that consistent? It always happens the same way in the morning. Starts by excess saliva followed by hacking, fainting then vomiting liquidy foam. Most of the time she's fine after the episode. Sometimes it's not as bad and she doesn't faint like in the video. We're trying to document to find the common denominator. Yesterday she walked with me in the city for about two miles. Wondering if excess excercise could lead to it. I'm not pushing her too hard although she can't talk so maybe I am!

there are different kinds of seizures and they manifest in various ways. A vet specializing in neurology or one with a good neuro background would be able to give u these answers. I'm not sure if the exercise is triggering her but two miles for a bulldog seems long to me. How does she handle the walks...is she panting a lot, stopping often, appearing tired? Try cutting back perhaps and see if this makes a difference. Have your brought this up to her vet yet?

 

[ddnene]

I agree w/the gang… what you describe sounds like too much stomach acid from an empty tummy. That is pretty common w/the bullies that we've seen on here… but then the REST of your video really does look like a seizure. It almost looked like she stopped breathing at one point. I would show this video to a vet, and get a consult from a specialist.

She's such a cute little girl… she looks a lot like our Bella.

 

[Chad Morgan]

She does great on walks. If I notice her getting tired I stop. I'm in Seattle and its fairly cool here too. Sometimes we will take her on easy hikes off leash and she keeps right up with no issue and lots of energy.

We have shown this to the vet and are trying to rule out some things. Ill post what the vet said as soon as I can get to get file.

 

[Libra926]

This video kinda scares me. It's almost as if she is trying to throw something up and almost as if her saliva/foam is too thick. Not sure if a squirt of lemon juice would help lessen the thickness of the phlegm. The passing out/falling over could also be because of the lack of breathing during her attempt to eliminate what ever she is trying to rid her body of.

How often do you feed her? What do you feed her and how much?

I'm just going to randomly throw things out there that I've come across in the last 8 years of being owned by bulldogs....one of which is a seizure baby.

The vomiting in the morning could be stomach acid.... sometimes giving an acid reducer will help. I learned this from a hospice nurse. Basically if you aren't eating often enough the acid buildup can be harmful. You'll have to talk to your vet about this.
The foaming happens to my Vegas during a grand mal seizure. He also will fall to his side, head thrashing and leg peddling. There are many different levels to seizing..and so many potential causes. Loosing bladder and bowel control can often happen during a seizure.
What happens BEFORE the video started? Was she asleep and the first thing waking up she started vomiting?

Being sluggish is a typical side effect of seizing.

Does she do any pacing? Does she every run into things after it happens? Do you have lawn care maintenance during this time or have you washed the floors, bedding or anything else that happens regularly?


Just some ideas to help you try and pinpoint a possible trigger.

Please keep us updated. Best of luck to you.

Oh....I'm south of Seattle in a town called Orting. Have you ever heard of it? In between Puyallup and Bonney Lake.

 

[TyTysmom]

Re: Morning vomit + faint (video)

This is very scary poor baby. Breaks my heart. I think you need to try a different food, what do you currently feed?? Also maybe a nighttime snack like a rice cake.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Michelle Marie Sri]

Hi all,

This is Rosie's human mama. Like Chad said we have shown our vet (who's speciality is Bulldogs and she herself owns them) and she has been showing it to many colleages. No one has seen anything like it. One dr at our clinic wanted to rule out her having a shunt so we did a blood test and her liver levels were normal. We didn't do the follow up bile acid test just yet. They also thought it could be a reflux due to an enlarged esophagus issue, so she had an xray done and everything looked normal. It was recommended we give her Prilosec but we haven't yet as we wanted to see how she would be after the soft palate surgery. Also worried about how those meds might affect her.

We are keeping a journal now of when these happen and all the circumstances around them. Was she is bed or kennel- was it warm- did she exercise, what other foods supplements did she have, how late was her meal? Ect.

Thanks for all of the feedback. When we first told our vet about this when she was just 16 weeks old or so- she kinda laughed it off as if it might be just fainting dog syndrome- and we thought it was just that because she always acted totally normal after. But, since the first time it really wiped her out- and out of all the times this has happened she has only not acted like herself 3 times, out of about 15 times.

Hope to get to the bottom of it soon. She is very loved!

 

[Chad Morgan]

Re: Morning vomit + faint (video)

We feed her only raw food (k9 naturals) and raw bones. Also a carrot each day. We cut her food down to 2 meals a day (8am & 4p) from 3. She had the episodes with 3 meals. We will definitely try giving her something before bed. We have stayed away from grains so besides rice cakes, what else would you suggest?

 

[Michelle Marie Sri]

Another thing to note is Rosie has always had a low grade heart murmur, 1/2. We had an echocardiogram done to make sure it was safe for her to go under anesthesia- results showed that the heart murmur shouldn't affect her quality and length of life. But I wonder if the throwing up and loss of oxygen puts stress on her heart making her collapse.

And yep- she is a raw food only baby- which possibly the high protein intake could aggravate a reflux issue.

 

[2BullyMama]

Another thing to note is Rosie has always had a low grade heart murmur, 1/2. We had an echocardiogram done to make sure it was safe for her to go under anesthesia- results showed that the heart murmur shouldn't affect her quality and length of life. But I wonder if the throwing up and loss of oxygen puts stress on her heart making her collapse.

And yep- she is a raw food only baby- which possibly the high protein intake could aggravate a reflux issue.

I tagged a member that also feeds all raw - she may have an idea of a bed time snack that is not grain

 

[Memphis Mama]

Wow, I am so sorry to see your little girl going through this, but our 12 year old bully (Memphis) started doing the same exact thing about a year ago. At first we thought he was seizing and choking because of the thick ball of saliva that he would spit up, along with some bile, and even the urinating occasionally, then he would briefly pass out and be sluggish the rest of the day. We have been in and out of the vet, had ultrasounds, bloodwork and x-rays, and they still can't figure it out. We discovered Memphis has an enlarged esophagus (mega esophagus) which we weren't aware of until the x-rays. The strange thing is, he will be 12 in July and never had problems until recently. He takes 10 mg. of Pepcid every morning to help reduce the acid, but I'm not sure if that's helping much. He eats Royal Canin HP (canned and dry) and Purina Gentle Snackers for treats. Does Rosie have a constant gag/cough like she has something caught in her throat? The only med that seems to help Memphis is Cerenia, but he can only take that once a week (it makes him very sluggish, but definitely reduces the gagging). I would appreciate you posting a follow up to what your vet says. Maybe yours can figure something out that ours has overlooked. Hoping Rosie feels better soon!