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[helsonwheels]

@Sunflower13 these are the Rabbit ingredients.

Ingredients: Potato, rabbit meal, coconut oil, hydrolyzed soy protein, potato protein, natural flavors, vegetable oil, monocalcium phosphate, fish oil, calcium carbonate…..

Potatoes is an ingredient that will cause skin issue/allergies, soy protein n vegetable oil are seed oils which is absolutely not healthy even for humans n what most people don’t know is natural flavours is basically chemicals that makes a flavour.

At the end of the day, it’s up to you to decide what is best for your dog as it’s not mine/our dog. But my 2 cents, I personally wouldn’t feed my dog them kibbles. You will be at the vet more often. Christine has give great suggestions and yes vet telling you to replace raw from a grain kibble n plus it’s a “meal” protein? If you want to get off raw n not feed that kibble, I suggest you buy duck or rabbit at the grocery store n cook it yourself n add a veggie he likes/tolerates. Not potatoes, like Green beans, cauliflower etc.

Just a thought

 

[Sunflower13]

@Sunflower13 these are the Rabbit ingredients.

Ingredients: Potato, rabbit meal, coconut oil, hydrolyzed soy protein, potato protein, natural flavors, vegetable oil, monocalcium phosphate, fish oil, calcium carbonate…..

Potatoes is an ingredient that will cause skin issue/allergies, soy protein n vegetable oil are seed oils which is absolutely not healthy even for humans n what most people don’t know is natural flavours is basically chemicals that makes a flavour.

At the end of the day, it’s up to you to decide what is best for your dog as it’s not mine/our dog. But my 2 cents, I personally wouldn’t feed my dog them kibbles. You will be at the vet more often. Christine has give great suggestions and yes vet telling you to replace raw from a grain kibble n plus it’s a “meal” protein? If you want to get off raw n not feed that kibble, I suggest you buy duck or rabbit at the grocery store n cook it yourself n add a veggie he likes/tolerates. Not potatoes, like Green beans, cauliflower etc.

Just a thought

I definitely appreciate the advice and different viewpoints. I’m not bothered by raw now that I’ve tried it, other than it taking over my freezer. I would do that over cooking again, in a heartbeat! I will talk with the vet about trying raw rabbit instead of rabbit-meal-kibble.

 

[helsonwheels]

I definitely appreciate the advice and different viewpoints. I’m not bothered by raw now that I’ve tried it, other than it taking over my freezer. I would do that over cooking again, in a heartbeat! I will talk with the vet about trying raw rabbit instead of rabbit-meal-kibble.

Not all vets are for raw. Mine is but it’s rare as they know they will see less of dogs visiting their clinics.

 

[KillRbee18]

Hi, I’m new to this site and so happy to have found it. I’ve been struggling to get my bulldog healthy for a long time. Cooper is 6 years old and my second bulldog but I’ve had dogs my whole life. When he was 3 he started showing signs of allergies. The vet put him on prescription Royal Canin hydrolyzed protein after I had tried different foods before then. I can’t say things ever really improved and I came to the idea that this is as good as it gets. I got tired of seeing him itchy and licky and weaned him off the rx food and I started him on the farmers dog. He loved it but things didn’t get better. He also lost some weight (5 lb) which was mildly concerning but not horrible. Over the summer I finally bought an allergy test for $300 determined to figure out the trigger. The test showed he was reactive to 21 out of 24 things they test for. I cancelled the farmers dog since they all contained reactive foods and started cooking his food with only the “allowed” foods. He lost more weight. I consulted his vet and the dr that created the allergy test but no real improvement in Cooper. He’s now down from an original 62 lbs to 46.6 lbs. He eats great, sleeps, poops, pees, all good things but he still itches. He has interdigital cysts, hotspots from time to time, and alopecia on his right flank that never grew back. I have tried miconizole/ketoconizole shampoo, Coat Defense powder, apoquel, prednisone, cytopoint, and all of the OTC antihistamines and I’m at a complete loss. I’m not sure if I’m doing too much or too little. I really want to figure his food out because right after he eats, he’ll get red in his face, folds, and belly. If anyone has any advice on successful foods or anything at all, I’d appreciate it so much. Melissa

Sunflower13,
I really hope and pray that your fur baby gets what he needs. That picture of him laying on the couch tears my heart up --hopefully he's not itching inside...

 

[Sunflower13]

Sunflower13,
I really hope and pray that your fur baby gets what he needs. That picture of him laying on the couch tears my heart up --hopefully he's not itching inside...

Thank you. I promise I’m his biggest advocate!

So something interesting happened. I decided to listen to the specialist since my efforts have not been overly successful. I ordered the prescription kibble and began transitioning from raw. Coopers idiopathic head tremors were back! I was shocked and quickly did a correlation. I wrote to the dr and got this reply…. Removed Dr name and practice to not be mean but I feel like I’m on to something. Please let me know your thoughts.

Good Morning,

Dr. (X) is not sure about kibble specifically but she does know that the neurologist here at (x) has manipulated the diet of at least one of our patients with some convulsion history. We do have the option of a home cooked limited ingredient novel protein diet (such as rabbit or kangaroo). Dr. (X) does advise to cook and not a raw diet. The other option would be to skip the more strict diet trial entirely and treat presumptively for environmental allergies; with the understanding that we are skipping a step with Cooper's workup, which may or may not be relevant.

Let us know if you have any other questions/concerns,

Jennie
Dermatology

 

[Sunflower13]

Thank you. I promise I’m his biggest advocate!

So something interesting happened. I decided to listen to the specialist since my efforts have not been overly successful. I ordered the prescription kibble and began transitioning from raw. Coopers idiopathic head tremors were back! I was shocked and quickly did a correlation. I wrote to the dr and got this reply…. Removed Dr name and practice to not be mean but I feel like I’m on to something. Please let me know your thoughts.

If you have instagram, please see my first reel ever posted. I never post but I'm determined. I also replied to every Idiopathic Head Tremor post I could find asking if their dog was on kibble. Hopefully I'm not stirring up trouble. I can't be the first person that has done this. The money that people spend on vets, neurologists, seizure meds!! If it's a food switch that's needed, people need to know. Maybe I am overstepping.

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[helsonwheels]

If you have instagram, please see my first reel ever posted. I’m never post but I'm determined. I also replied to every Idiopathic Head Tremor post I could find asking if their dog was on kibble. Hopefully I'm not stirring up trouble. I can't be the first person that has done this. The money that people spend on vets, neurologists, seizure meds!! If it's a food switch that's needed, people need to know.

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I will never forget seeing on FB a video of an EB having head tremors n the own had a bottle of Frankincense essential oil in his hand, rubbed one drop in each of the flappy inner ear n inside the paw pads. Took approximately 10 seconds and tremor stopped. This was recorded without cuts of the video.

As most know me, I’m a big believer in EO, I use it on regular basis for human or dog health issues n regular maintenance. Been doing this for decades. But that’s me, I avoid all chemicals n any vet shots. Works for me

 

[2BullyMama]

Sadly.. idiopathic tremors have no known cause. It is all speculation by anyone Dayi differently. With our first bulldog back in 2004 , we went to the top neurologist on east coast at the time— his exact words were “ they are harmless, no known cause and if you want I can charge you 3 grand to tell you just that again “. We didn’t do the MRI and our boy still had them on occasion.

 

[Sunflower13]

Sadly.. idiopathic tremors have no known cause. It is all speculation by anyone Dayi differently. With our first bulldog back in 2004 , we went to the top neurologist on east coast at the time— his exact words were “ they are harmless, no known cause and if you want I can charge you 3 grand to tell you just that again “. We didn’t do the MRI and our boy still had them on occasion.

Aww, it’s definitely a relief to know they’re harmless but I don’t know why that word isn’t out. Vets continue to test and charge fees. I just know Cooper hasn’t had any UNTIL this week when he was back on Royal Canin PR and it floored me. He also got them on Royal Canin Hydrolyzed Protein. Is it coincidence? Why do I feel like the next Erin Brokovich?

 

[2BullyMama]

Aww, it’s definitely a relief to know they’re harmless but I don’t know why that word isn’t out. Vets continue to test and charge fees. I just know Cooper hasn’t had any UNTIL this week when he was back on Royal Canin PR and it floored me. He also got them on Royal Canin Hydrolyzed Protein. Is it coincidence? Why do I feel like the next Erin Brokovich?

We noticed for our recent boy, Lambeau they seemed to be triggered by his allergies.. he seemingly never got the in the winter but spring through fall.. at least a few times a month

 

[2BullyMama]

Aww, it’s definitely a relief to know they’re harmless but I don’t know why that word isn’t out. Vets continue to test and charge fees. I just know Cooper hasn’t had any UNTIL this week when he was back on Royal Canin PR and it floored me. He also got them on Royal Canin Hydrolyzed Protein. Is it coincidence? Why do I feel like the next Erin Brokovich?

Also… the definition of idiopathic says it all. Vets testing either are fleecing or not knowing the condition.

 

[Sunflower13]

Also… the definition of idiopathic says it all. Vets testing either are fleecing or not knowing the condition.

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I just got the “keeps coming back” trophy. I think it really means, you’re so annoying.

Idiopathic is a comfy cushion for vets. In the IT world, we call it a glitch. It means we have no clue.

I found an article from NIH. I’m saddened to read the people that euthanized. There was no mention of diet except for a small
percentage of owners that did gluten free.

Idiopathic and structural episodic nonintentional head tremor in dogs: 100 cases (2004‐2022)

Although idiopathic episodic head tremor (IEHT) in dogs is well‐known, little is known about structural brain lesions causing structural episodic head tremor (SEHT).Describe semiology, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) findings and outcome of dogs ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[2BullyMama]

I just got the “keeps coming back” trophy. I think it really means, you’re so annoying.

Idiopathic is a comfy cushion for vets. In the IT world, we call it a glitch. It means we have no clue.

I found an article from NIH. I’m saddened to read the people that euthanized. There was no mention of diet except for a small
percentage of owners that did gluten free.

Idiopathic and structural episodic nonintentional head tremor in dogs: 100 cases (2004‐2022)

Although idiopathic episodic head tremor (IEHT) in dogs is well‐known, little is known about structural brain lesions causing structural episodic head tremor (SEHT).Describe semiology, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) findings and outcome of dogs ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Lol… keep coming, it’s fine, it’s how we all continue to learn!

 

[Sunflower13]

Lol… keep coming, it’s fine, it’s how we all continue to learn!

Here is an update from yesterday's followup with dermatology for anyone interested...

"We are very pleased with Cooper’s progress since his last appointment and previous skin and ear infections are resolved today! As such, cephalexin and ketoconazole will be continued until the previous course is gone. Mometamax is being discontinued now and we will instead start Cooper on Zymox HC drops 2x per week to help prevent recurrent ear infections as outlined below. Now that allergy symptoms are better controlled, prednisone will be further tapered and continued until recheck exam while we give the diet trial additional time to take effect. As long as Cooper continues to do well at the next exam as expected, we will then discuss stopping prednisone to assess the success of the diet trial to help further guide our longer term management recommendations for Cooper. Continue Elimination diet trial: Royal Canin PR canned. Rayne Nutrition Rabbit Dog Food Roll OR Rabbit Diag-Freeze Dried food may be used instead as an approved diet. Please let us know if you switch the diet from Royal Canin PR to either of these for our records. Serenegy potato pleasers (serenegy.com) may be used as an approved treat option during this process. Your pet has been diagnosed with allergic dermatitis that may be due to a cutaneous adverse food reaction (dietary hypersensitivity or intolerance). The only accurate way to make this diagnosis is with 8-12 week dietary trial with a single novel protein diet or hydrolyzed protein diet. The diet trial is a diagnostic test that must be done without error. Therefore, it is crucial to follow this diet flawlessly. Improvement in your pet's dermatitis will be a slow process. Do not expect results over night and do not give up too soon!

Feed the recommended diet strictly for a minimum of 8 weeks. During the food trial, your pet cannot be given any of the following: treats (other than what your doctor has recommended), table scraps, animal byproduct or flavored chews (rawhides, antlers, etc.), dental chews (including Greenies), fish oils, oral flavored (chewable) heartworm or flea/tick
preventatives (including Heartgard, Sentinel, Interceptor, Nexgard, Simparica, and Bravecto), glucosamine and chondroitin, or any other flavored medications or supplements. Please call us with any questions."

 

[2BullyMama]

Here is an update from yesterday's followup with dermatology for anyone interested...

"We are very pleased with Cooper’s progress since his last appointment and previous skin and ear infections are resolved today! As such, cephalexin and ketoconazole will be continued until the previous course is gone. Mometamax is being discontinued now and we will instead start Cooper on Zymox HC drops 2x per week to help prevent recurrent ear infections as outlined below. Now that allergy symptoms are better controlled, prednisone will be further tapered and continued until recheck exam while we give the diet trial additional time to take effect. As long as Cooper continues to do well at the next exam as expected, we will then discuss stopping prednisone to assess the success of the diet trial to help further guide our longer term management recommendations for Cooper. Continue Elimination diet trial: Royal Canin PR canned. Rayne Nutrition Rabbit Dog Food Roll OR Rabbit Diag-Freeze Dried food may be used instead as an approved diet. Please let us know if you switch the diet from Royal Canin PR to either of these for our records. Serenegy potato pleasers (serenegy.com) may be used as an approved treat option during this process. Your pet has been diagnosed with allergic dermatitis that may be due to a cutaneous adverse food reaction (dietary hypersensitivity or intolerance). The only accurate way to make this diagnosis is with 8-12 week dietary trial with a single novel protein diet or hydrolyzed protein diet. The diet trial is a diagnostic test that must be done without error. Therefore, it is crucial to follow this diet flawlessly. Improvement in your pet's dermatitis will be a slow process. Do not expect results over night and do not give up too soon!

Feed the recommended diet strictly for a minimum of 8 weeks. During the food trial, your pet cannot be given any of the following: treats (other than what your doctor has recommended), table scraps, animal byproduct or flavored chews (rawhides, antlers, etc.), dental chews (including Greenies), fish oils, oral flavored (chewable) heartworm or flea/tick
preventatives (including Heartgard, Sentinel, Interceptor, Nexgard, Simparica, and Bravecto), glucosamine and chondroitin, or any other flavored medications or supplements. Please call us with any questions."

Might be a long road but hopefully well worth it