LOL [MENTION=6047]jimmyjj[/MENTION], of course not! cattle prods emit electricity. I used the collar that vibrated. To each his own and I agree that it should be a last resort, and absolutely NEVER on a low confidence dog, as it will make that dog even more skittish. I don't think this thread is controversial, unless someone makes it so. We are here to share our experiences and learn from the experiences of others right?
I have not, but if I thought it would do a better job in training, and I knew the proper way to use it and I was convinced there is no pain involved, I would. People do not like pinch collars either, but I had to use one on my previous bully. She was great, but could not walk properly on a leash(yes...we tried many things).
We like to think of these dogs as family members and they are....but they are not humans. It is impossible to raise them like our children and I would not try to teach, train, or raise my children the way we do our dogs.
Imagine giving a treat to your toddler for learning to say "Mama" or for taking 1st steps.....
I would not do anything to my dogs or children that I would consider painful and I certainly would avoid things that could hurt them psychologically.