What do you feed your Bulldog ?

[Lindathedogsmaid]

dear Chad,
what I have found also, is that if a dog is reactive to one meat, it is because they were fed that meat day in and day out. until the body finds it intolerable, and reacts !!!
that is why it is good to try all the different meats in any brand, like the 4 star fromm foods, then only after trying all of them , should you go on to the gold fromm that has several types of meats all in one.
that way they always have selection and never get intolerant again.
and it is often --- the added treats that dogs are reactive to, and cause the loose stools! but I have seen may bullys very sensitive,
and for that, I always keep a bottle of Pepcid AC on hand to calm the tummy in about an hour. also canned pumpkin, and children's pedialite, to replace water with during a long bout of diarrhea, to balance those electrolytes again. for a couple days. but ad broth to it , so they like it ,. and benadryl for spider bites,calming anxiety also. under 50lbs 1 -3 x a day, over 50lbs 2 -3 x a day.
heres hoping you have no more tummy issues with your dogs.

 

[Chad M Lane]

You haven't seen a good photo of my dog then! His name is not Rambo for the heck of it! He currently is getting 23 or so Calories per pound of body weight, he weighs 72lbs. He is highly active, and runs 3-5 miles 2-3 time per week with no problem at all, I've also been training him to weight pull as he enjoys it, and burns off plenty of calories with how active he his. He just had surgery the other day, and had to go without food for a good part of 36+ hours, and he lost 2lbs in that time, that's how active he is. He is a lean very fit English Bulldog, with a 24" neck, shoulders at my knees.

Protein % means nothing even if you have an old senior dog, it's how many calories of that high protein food you are feeding, again my dogs are feed of caloric needs, not off the guidelines on the bag. Most people feed too much, and most guidelines say feed to much, because they want you to buy more food. 2 bags of Orijen lasted my 72lb English Bulldog, and 27lb Boston Terrier 10 weeks! My Boston runs 5-10 miles 2-3 time per week, and goes on long hard hikes with me weekly/bi weekly.

So again would you answer my question(s)?

Now I would like to know what ingredients in Orijen leads you to believe it is damaging organs in dogs?


"I had even tried fish based diets but most of them still contain a small amount of chicken." Orijen Six Fish, and Regional Red contain no chicken they do have an adult formula that has Turkey/chicken that I rotate with my Boston with the other formulas.

I personally don't like beef for my dogs, as it is harder to digest than other protein sources, and dogs can become allergic to beef just like they can become allergic to chicken. This is way I chose the foods I feed, and raise my dogs rotating foods, the earlier the better as it'll be easier to switch up foods as they get old, now not all dogs will be able to switch easy, but if you start rotating sooner than later it makes it easier.

I believe Acana made by the same company as Orijen has a all fish grain free formula that doesn't contain chicken as well, and it's lower in protein than Orijen.




Cheers,
Chad

 

[Lindathedogsmaid]

to date Chad , the fromm and one or two others do not take part in this practice, but that is all.


Landfill Diversion Pet Food/Animal Food
Expired meat, diverted from landfills, fed to pets and zoo animals. How's that for quality nutrition? While I would never feed my pets or any other member of my family expired meat, I went on a quest to find information about the risks of consuming expired meat. What I found, was...not much and nothing comforting.
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this company is so new that they have only had 4 reviews, and I remember talking to them on the phone, and they flat refused to put into writing anything guaranteed about the pre and pro biotics, the lactobacsillasthe yogurt type cultures) they also admitted that they only try to use natural vitamins when they can, meaning they use man made chemicals as vitamins.and they felt that the cooking time and temp was a company secret/patent. the temp is as important as the amount of time cooked .
and I was talking both tomy vet and the nutritionist at Fromm and I have a dog that tends to make stones, so I must be careful to not feed any food that may have organ meat in it because of the high minerals, and for every fruit or veggie that I add to the kibble, I do dilute the acid content in the urine,
and Bulldogs never drink enough water so this helps them stay low acid content and by adding broth to the water bowls , I increase the water in take. hope this helps .

 

[Chad M Lane]

You make no sense and did not answer my question yet again for the second time in a row.

Champion Pet Foods is not a new company. And since 2009 they have won more awards than any other dog food and the food was tested by he Glycemic Research Institute in Washington, DC.

Champion Petfoods | Awards

My English at times drinks TO much eater I know many other English owners that are the same way drinking to much/to fast. So when you say bullys are not a working breed, and they don't drink enough water you are really showing you have little understanding with this breed.
95% of English owners have fat, obese, lazy dogs, they are originally bred for bull baiting among other jobs, how is this not a working breed? Yes they are not much of a working breed now days because people have bred them that way, but if you follow family trees back enough you can still find bloodlines that have to ability to be fairly good working dogs, sure not Collie working.

Again My English can go to the dog park and keep up with Collies, and other working/agile breeds for hours with no problems he may lose in a race, but he sure doesn't stop till I make him.

Again I refuse to feed my dogs plant based ingredients, among other ingredients that they cannot digest or fully use both of my dogs have been doing wonderful on Orijen, and I've been selling Orijen for the last 4-5 years and still have many of my original customers that swear by this food.

I have fed many foods over the years, and this food by far besides Evo my dogs have done the best on besides a RAW diet, as my Boston used to be feed mostly RAW.



Cheers,
Chad

 

[Lindathedogsmaid]

well Chad- I question the purity of your Bulldog AKC papers if he can keep up with collies at the dog parks. or run for hours.
and as to the
"but if you follow family trees back enough you can still find bloodlines that have to ability to be fairly good working dogs, sure not Collie working." and they do not drink enough water 99% of the time. of course no one lets them gulp it after playing hard. just short drinks till they cool down !they do not drink enough . that shows me how little you have researched and read up on English Bulldogs!
No sane bulldog will weight pull until you want him to quit. they tire to fast just as in the days of bull fighting. those days they just bit and hung on, locking the jaw.
they are a NON SPORTING breed. meant to keep humans company no more.
you cannot compare what they used to be with today, just like you cannot compare humans the same way either. DUH!! and yes most Bullies are over weight ,but that is because many are getting corn in the food.and lots of folks do not realize that they shouldn't buy the food the vets recommend! (if they stock and sell the brand ,the pet food CO gives generous donations to the vets college of choice, supposedly for vet students )so I tell folks never to buy from a vet - they have ulterior motives!
if some of this isn't enough to make you choose more carefully , well Bulldogs are 180 degrees different than any other breed for their needs ,in all fields.

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When a complaint is initiated by a consumer, we let the consumer know that we have received their email (or phone call) and will be opening a file or checking into the matter for them. We can check with Quality Assurance on lot numbers if they are provided, again lab results will be available for each lot number of our products. We do extensive testing on all kibble before we release it to our shipping warehouse. All of our finished kibble is held before shipping in order to have testing done for Salmonella and Enterobacteriaceae (which includes E.coli) etc., this is part of our quality control process. No product is shipped until all of our tests come back clear.

From there, we can arrange for testing on a sample of the consumers kibble, we try to tailor our response to the individual needs and concerns of each person who contacts us.

Our Quality Assurance department logs and tracks all complaints, so we know if more than one has come in on a particular lot number.

Now they have skirted the answers like they did with me on the phone, so they keep track of complaints,

they only test for two things!!!

and they acknowledge a call or email, and then go to check their own logs @ their labs.

they have not got any protocol for outside testing of tainted customers and their lots of food.

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in summery to your question about length of time Orejin has been on the market, is miniscule. in business years, I have shoes older then that. and granted they may have won an award or two ,but how many others were tested also?? I would like to see that list.
NOW no one is more proactive about Canada, that is my home. grew up there. they are very much concerned about quality ---NORMALLY-- but remember the food recall of 2007--- that was menu foods in Canada---
so again . I am answering your questions about what is wrong with Orejin/Arcana ?? it all sounds to good to be true, AND the advertizement (white paper ) is just that . Bulldogs are NOT A WORKING BREED. if you have one that actually is active --it may be one of two, I have come across in 12 yrs of dealing with English Bulldogs by the hundreds. now if you Bulldog has some French in him that may be different.
But English Bulldogs are actually very fragile to many things. heat, over exertion, and growing things,things they touch, not to mention a Bulldog protocol for surgeries. I don't suppose you thought of that. and the Fact that a regular vet will not have a clue how to properly car for or recognize Bulldog issues, Owners must have a experienced Bulldog vet with experience.(check the local Bulldog club on line to find owners who can recommend one)
I would not try a food until it was time tested for issues, nor would I use food from a Company that was so secretive/ non forthcoming with answers to direct questions!
dog are not wolves- but I musts say this has been a good gimmick for consumers for several years now. a taste of the wild did this too. but people finally caught on, to simple advertising.and recognized that
it was just that.
as to veggies and fruits--some things like corn do not digest, watch the poop and delete what doesn't -not a huge task. but all in all they fruit and veggies do so much good in many ways. it helps reduce the acid contents of the urine as one example. just no preservatives. meat, fruit, and veggies, we should all eat like that.

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please read this article, and if it is happening in the states.you can bet the pet food industry in Canada is also trying it.whether or not they succeed is the test of us pet owners keeping tabs on the industry.

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Written By: Susan Thixton
4-1-2011
Categorized in: Pet Food Ingredients, Pet Food News, Pet Food Regulations

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[Chad M Lane]

Again you only can't see outside the lines because you refuse to. haha

Oh yeah my AKC English Bulldog is 72lbs, 24" neck, mastiff sized head, is mixed with a French Bulldog! HAHA

Rambo at times drinks to much water and I know many other English owners that have the same problem. I'll get you photo of his AKC papers, if you'd like, and If I have time I'll try and get photos of him.

Since for what ever reason I can post photos...

Click the link. http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5092/5582184101_37ee5ee596_b.jpg This is Rambo keep in mind that is a 35lb Tortoise that was 20" long.

Next time we go to the park I'll be sure to get some video too when I first got him, I would out sprint him, now, he flys past me like I'm a snail!

Many many many dog food company's have had recalls, that's nothing new and nothing I'm worried about. I just don't like to fact you say this food is so bad, without ANY proof what so ever, and you say your dog food is so much better, with high carbs, and ingredients that end up in your backyard.
Also then you say that they can't be working breeds, and they don't drink enough water.... They were once a working breed, yes as you said, and I said they are not a working bred nowdays. Rambo enjoys pulling, I started with a tire in the yard and he did it, and he asks to do it now. Between him and my Boston they must drink 2-4 bowls a day depending on how warm it is, and it's Rambo drinking 85% of it if anything my Boston needs to drink more often, Rambo on the other hand... I have to stop him from DRINKING to much.



Cheers,
Chad

 

[bullmama]

I think at this point you can both agree to disagree.

We have decided to close this topic to before this debate gets uncomfortable for everyone. Each of us have different opinions on what is the best dog food out there and I believe that you both presented your sides enough to the point that now all there is left to do is argue over nothing substantial that will no longer pertain to the dog food.

Both of you do offer great points on the subject. While most bulldogs as a whole are not athletic, it does show that each bulldog is different and one will do better on a different food than another. It is a personal choice and the most important choice as owners that we make for our pets.