Need some help

[Owens]

well after months of zeus having blood in his urine and multiple vet visits, finally found out he had stones in his bladder. Little guy had surgery and just got home. Unfortunately the vet says since it happened when he's so young(1yr back in may) he may be prone to them again. I currently have zeus eating fromm but the vet is suggesting i sweet him to Royal Canin,I guess they make a type of food that prevents the stones from forming again. Im just wondering if anyone else has had this problem or if they are familiar with the food.Price doesnt matter if its actually going to help keep him healthy and prevent this same situation from happening but if there is another alternative( like a cheaper brand) id love to know about it. Vet said the stones were most likely Calcium Oxalate and the fodd i should switch to is Royal Canin Urinary SO a prescription food.

 

[nycbullymama]

[MENTION=3354]RiiSi[/MENTION] can you help you with this. She had the same thing happen with one of her boys. But she feeds Raw.

 

[RiiSi]

MOST LIKELY! What the...f..k, sorry for my french, but the vet should know and find out exactly what type of stones your boy is prone to develope. Oh boy this makes me mad....sorry again. You need to find out for sure the type of stones before you can decide what to feed him and there's always an better alternative to RC...

 

[Vikinggirl]

I agree with Riikka, as there are more than one type of bladder stones. I don't have any experience with foods that are bad or beneficial for kidney stones, but you can potentially reduce them or avoid them by giving him a cranberry extract supplement. I break open a cranberry supplement and put on their kibble. Cranberry can help prevent bladder infections and stones as well as apple cider vinegar.

Bladder and Urethral Stones in Dogs



Kidney stones are rare in dogs. Bladder stones are common. Stones that form in the bladder may pass into the urethra. All dogs can develop bladder stones. Breeds with an increased incidence include the Miniature Schnauzer, Dalmatian, Shih Tzu, Dachshund, and Bulldog.


Bladder and urethral stones may be large or small, single or multiple, and may pass spontaneously or obstruct the lower urinary tract. Stones in the bladder eventually cause painful urination and blood in the urine.




Most bladder stones are struvites (that is, they’re composed of magnesium ammonium phosphate). They form in an alkaline urine and are usually preceded by a bladder infection. The bacteria and urinary sediment form a nidus around which the ammonium phosphate is deposited.


Uric acid stones form in an acid urine, and are frequently associated with inherited alterations in urate metabolism. Dalmatians and Bulldogs are genetically predisposed.


Other stones are calcium oxalate and cystine stones. Cystine crystals have been found in Newfoundlands and many other breeds. There is a genetic test offered by VetGen, OptiGen, and PennGen to detect carriers and affected dogs with this problem. Silica stones are rare; they occur most often in male German Shepherd Dogs. These stones are not usually associated with a preexisting bladder infection.




Stones that are large or numerous can sometimes be palpated through the abdomen. In most cases the diagnosis is made by X-ray. A contrast dye study may be needed for definitive diagnosis. Stones not visible on an abdominal X-ray can often be seen by ultrasonography or IVP. A urinalysis is routinely obtained.


Stones that pass spontaneously and those that are removed surgically should be analyzed, if possible, since the composition of the stone influences the treatment of any remaining and future stones.


Treatment: Bladder infection, if present, is treated as described for Cystitis (page 414). In many cases the stones can be dissolved over weeks or months by feeding the dog a special diet. Struvite stones dissolve in an acid urine, requiring a diet low in magnesium and protein-accomplished by feeding Hill’s Prescription Diet s/d, or Royal Canin Urinary SO 13. Uric acid stones respond to a low-purine diet (Hill’s u/d), along with the drug allopurinol. Cystine stones also respond to Hill’s u/d, along with drugs that dissolve cystine. Feeding a vegetarian diet, such as Royal Canin Vegetarian Formula, may help prevent urate stones. There are no methods currently available for dissolving calcium oxalate and silica stones. However, diets and supplements can be used to reduce the risk of recurrence.


Surgical removal is the treatment of choice for urethral stones that cause obstruction and for bladder stones that fail to respond to a diet change and medication. Surgery is also indicated when medical treatment is contraindicated because of congestive heart failure, or when there is a need for more rapid resolution of symptoms.


The formation of new stones occurs in up to 30 percent of cases. The dog should be seen and checked at regular intervals. Your veterinarian may recommend long-term dietary changes and/or the addition of supplements such as vitamin C, raspberry seed extracts, or cranberry extracts.

 

[RiiSi]

If you give cranberry to my boy that has hyperuricosuria and is prone to develope urate stones, you can potentially give him bladder stones, so you must and need to know what type of stones he had! Cranberry is not the cure for all stones it can create some. Cranberry is beneficial for stones that are formed in alkaline urine as it makes the urine more acidic. My boys urine is so acidic that if I would give him cranberry he would most likely develope stones in no time.....so you need to know what kind of stones he had...I can't stress you enough with this!

 

[Owens]

Sorry I should've added that the vet I go to is smaller and has sent off the stones to find out 100% what kind they were

 

[Christie H]

My girl was on canned Royal Cabin for her UTI per my vet.After reading the ingredients I was less than thrilled. She had about a months worth of pills and now she's fine but my vet was worried about her developing stones because of her crystal level and she has a Vag lap as I call it so it doesn't breathe there well

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[bullmama]

Sorry I should've added that the vet I go to is smaller and has sent off the stones to find out 100% what kind they were

Great news, unfortunately a huge number of vets do not do this and just prescribe prescriptions and rx dog food, instead of finding out the exact type and then coming up with a diet plan. Let us know what the results are when you get them.


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[bullmama]

If you give cranberry to my boy that has hyperuricosuria and is prone to develope urate stones, you can potentially give him bladder stones, so you must and need to know what type of stones he had! Cranberry is not the cure for all stones it can create some. Cranberry is beneficial for stones that are formed in alkaline urine as it makes the urine more acidic. My boys urine is so acidic that if I would give him cranberry he would most likely develope stones in no time.....so you need to know what kind of stones he had...I can't stress you enough with this!

I didn't know this, excellent information.


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[Owens]

Just so everyone knows it was the type of stones the vet thought and zeus is dojng better but has to switch to a Royal Canin type of food to prevent this from happening again

 

[2BullyMama]

Just so everyone knows it was the type of stones the vet thought and zeus is dojng better but has to switch to a Royal Canin type of food to prevent this from happening again

what type are they? there could be alternatives to the prescription foods

 

[Owens]

The brand is the royal canin the type is just urinary SO. I looked at the ingredients and not to happy so if anyone has any suggestions let me know

 

[Manydogs]

You can search the internet for a food that would be similar ingriedients. I had a diabetic dog who was on a canned prescription food for several years. I finally just couldn't afford it, and searched for somethiing similar in the non prescription foods. Found one. She did better on it than she ever did all the years on the p.d. Perhaps you may be able to find something.

 

[2BullyMama]

The brand is the royal canin the type is just urinary SO. I looked at the ingredients and not to happy so if anyone has any suggestions let me know

sorry, I meant what type of stones?

 

[Owens]

They were some type of bladder stones I can't remember the exact name, sorry