Thank you so much for all your help, we are working through our issues, and even though we are only on step one with Aldo, I am losing some of my fear and anxiety mainly because I keep him leashed when not crated when there are people around, so even though it's far from my ideal relationship with him, at least everyone is safe and we get to interact. when there are no kids/visitors he roams and acts good.. We are doing the exercise you suggested and he still hates it, but knows it's coming and submits a tiny bit easier every time.. Thank you so much! I am just so amazed with how great this forum is :D oh, and please Tell Bea that Mr Aldo sends smooches her way..