Neutering angst

[2BullyMama]

It sems my update post disappeared into the ethereal. Oh well
Like many of you, I prefer things to evolve organically. Using wisdom teeth (human) as an analogy, there is no medical reason to have them pulled unless they are causing a problem. Unfortunately, the reputable daycare/boarders require certificate of neuter for liability. So like [MENTION=15310]helsonwheels[/MENTION], a vasectomy is the best option. Thus far, I have found 2 vets that perform vasectomies and another that administers Zeuterin. All charge way more than the traditional method; an alternative method fee. This makes NO sense. More vets are being interviewed, see the holistic vet list below.
Side note, I found that a spray bottle with a teaspoon of white vinegar stops the humping. Merely reaching for the bottle or a look is doing the trick.
Also, I found the following article helpful: https://www.miamiherald.com/living/pets/article137286958.html

Side note- who knew a dog could be entertained by a laser pointer? Apparently, it’s not just cats. Lol

Holistic veterinarian list: https://www.ahvma.org/find-a-holistic-veterinarian/

Good luck on your search... please be careful with the laser they can cause anxiety and aggression... too much stimulation. It drove our Banks over the edge and we had to throw them away.


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[cefe13]

In Europe, we consider ourselves as being part of the Western world? I wouldn’t dare say that to a Brit or Italian to Greek..etc..hard head counties...lol...

Anyhoooo, I read somewhere way back that Sweden and/or Nordic counties don’t have roaming issues and you guys have very strict animal breeding laws. Is it still like that or has it started to change?

I know this is getting very OT, but yes, Europe is definitely part of the Western World! Perhaps many people in the Americas see their continents as "the West," but the Western World is a concept that has been used for two thousand years in Europe. Originally, it was a geographical phrase referring to Europe (West = Occident) in contrast to the East (= the Orient), but since the Americas were colonised by Europeans the concept has come to cover the industrialised/well-developed parts of the world. And then in the 20th c, the dichotomy West-East was much related to Western Europe/North America vs the Soviet Union/Eastern Europe, so the West came to mean 'the free world'.

Concerning roaming dogs: In Scandinavia there are (virtually) no strays or dogs who don't have an owner = no dogs on the streets. In Southern Europe, strays are not uncommon, and it has become increasingly common for people in Sweden to adopt rescued strays from eg Romania and Spain.

Re breeding laws: There are people in Scandinavia who breed dogs just to make money, and there is an increase in illegal import from eg Eastern Europe, but generally speaking, most dogs in Scandinavia come from reputable breeders who follow kennel club regulations as they want to register their dogs with the kennel club. Furthermore, all dogs in Sweden need to be registered with the Swedish Agriculatural board. I think what makes our little part of the world different from some other parts is not so much breeding rules but the rules that come with ownership (crating your dog is illegal, for instance).

 

[helsonwheels]

[MENTION=9875]cefe13[/MENTION]. Smart having the owner register their dogs. A bit like here. If you own a dog you must get a license for it as if you’re stopped somewhere like street, parks etc n trust me I’ve seen them roaming around, they give you a $250 fine and if you don’t register it they can come back knocking on your door (with your info). So for 35$ a year it’s no brainer. Also give you a fine if you don’t have pooping bags on you. Right now on Alberta there is an issue people stealing dogs. Another issue especially in the prairies there are tons of Indian Reservations. They simply don’t care as they all leave their dogs loose, breed amongst themselves freely. You can’t do much about it cause Indian Reservations are protected. A lot of their dogs you will find them in mostly all the Rescues.

 

[helsonwheels]

It sems my update post disappeared into the ethereal. Oh well
Like many of you, I prefer things to evolve organically. Using wisdom teeth (human) as an analogy, there is no medical reason to have them pulled unless they are causing a problem. Unfortunately, the reputable daycare/boarders require certificate of neuter for liability. So like [MENTION=15310]helsonwheels[/MENTION], a vasectomy is the best option. Thus far, I have found 2 vets that perform vasectomies and another that administers Zeuterin. All charge way more than the traditional method; an alternative method fee. This makes NO sense. More vets are being interviewed, see the holistic vet list below.
Side note, I found that a spray bottle with a teaspoon of white vinegar stops the humping. Merely reaching for the bottle or a look is doing the trick.
Also, I found the following article helpful: https://www.miamiherald.com/living/pets/article137286958.html

Side note- who knew a dog could be entertained by a laser pointer? Apparently, it’s not just cats. Lol

Holistic veterinarian list: https://www.ahvma.org/find-a-holistic-veterinarian/

Zeuterin was also an option but because it’s a mixture of all sorts I didn’t go for that. I always look down the road. Vasectomy it’s simply just a snip. Dogs do love laser./flashlight Duke ( when he was younger) went wild and on guard waiting for it. His whole body transform stiff and you see ever muscles n cures. Still does to this day when I used the flashlight to go in the far end of the backyard for there business n in winter no lights down there. Or sometimes in the house cause of the sun, the reflection from the cell phone on the wall, he’ll jump up on the wall. Lights all stopped for him as Duke has anxiety issues. I never used the flashlight much very rare as it’s mostly for winter times. Find out the tenant downstairs was playing with Duke with a laser. I explained to him what he was doing to Duke as he didn’t know. So do keep an eye on yours if the laser turns into an addicting game. Just a thought.

 

[Plato]

We had Wally neutered when he was older, almost 2... because he was becoming aggressive. I had reservations about neutering as well... and his aggressive issues did subside.

yeah, they subsided because he is deprived of energy and life force. please do not follow this protocol because it is specious. TRAIN your dog, don't butcher him!

 

[Plato]

[MENTION=9875]cefe13[/MENTION]. Smart having the owner register their dogs. A bit like here. If you own a dog you must get a license for it as if you’re stopped somewhere like street, parks etc n trust me I’ve seen them roaming around, they give you a $250 fine and if you don’t register it they can come back knocking on your door (with your info). So for 35$ a year it’s no brainer. Also give you a fine if you don’t have pooping bags on you. Right now on Alberta there is an issue people stealing dogs. Another issue especially in the prairies there are tons of Indian Reservations. They simply don’t care as they all leave their dogs loose, breed amongst themselves freely. You can’t do much about it cause Indian Reservations are protected. A lot of their dogs you will find them in mostly all the Rescues.

i disagree about registering, fines, taxes, etc. we are responsible adults. we do not need the nanny state in all of our business. i don't want to give half a penny to the out of control commie gov.

(indian reservations have other more serious problems as a direct result of gov forcing them into reservations hence socio-econ issues, w/ drug and alcohol abuse, violence, poverty, etc. so of course, their dogs are running wild -- that's the no-brainer.)

 

[2BullyMama]

i disagree about registering, fines, taxes, etc. we are responsible adults. we do not need the nanny state in all of our business. i don't want to give half a penny to the out of control commie gov.

(indian reservations have other more serious problems as a direct result of gov forcing them into reservations hence socio-econ issues, w/ drug and alcohol abuse, violence, poverty, etc. so of course, their dogs are running wild -- that's the no-brainer.)

Easy... we are here to help and support, not to lecture and discuss politics. Please take those topics to other forums.

To each their own, allow members to make their own decisions based on our experiences, insight and knowledge... not talk down or demanding they do it one way or another. You can share you opinions without being hostile.


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[Plato]

Easy... we are here to help and support, not to lecture and discuss politics. Please take those topics to other forums.

To each their own, allow members to make their own decisions based on our experiences, insight and knowledge... not talk down or demanding they do it one way or another. You can share you opinions without being hostile.


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you took it the wrong way. sorry.

 

[oscarmayer]

Good luck on your search... please be careful with the laser they can cause anxiety and aggression... too much stimulation. It drove our Banks over the edge and we had to throw them away.

Several of our placements have suffered ligament injuries directly attributable to laser pointers. The "play" appears fun but the quick and continuous changes in direction over-torque the knees. Big $$ to repair. We emphatically recommend against their use.

 

[helsonwheels]

i disagree about registering, fines, taxes, etc. we are responsible adults. we do not need the nanny state in all of our business. i don't want to give half a penny to the out of control commie gov.

(indian reservations have other more serious problems as a direct result of gov forcing them into reservations hence socio-econ issues, w/ drug and alcohol abuse, violence, poverty, etc. so of course, their dogs are running wild -- that's the no-brainer.)

Hey Hey Chill dear! Any dog roaming freely “will” breed as it’s natural n most of them will end up in shelters. Also yes, no one likes to give a penny to any government but sadly, sometimes we responsible adults will end up dishing out for the non responsible adults.

But like [MENTION=2894]2BullyMama[/MENTION] said, political topics is a different thread n topic. I’m simply giving you what I went through with my dog as an option of a vasectomy. At the end of the day, your dog , your decision.

 

[ddnene]

yeah, they subsided because he is deprived of energy and life force. please do not follow this protocol because it is specious. TRAIN your dog, don't butcher him!

EXCUSE ME!!! I DO NOT consider neutering a butcher job... and for your information I worked with 2 TRAINERS before we even decided to have the surgery done. You make a LOT of assumptions based on zero knowledge of my situation, maybe you should take your "life force" and judgement elsewhere...

 

[Plato]

EXCUSE ME!!! I DO NOT consider neutering a butcher job... and for your information I worked with 2 TRAINERS before we even decided to have the surgery done. You make a LOT of assumptions based on zero knowledge of my situation, maybe you should take your "life force" and judgement elsewhere...

maybe the third trainer's the charm.

 

[ddnene]

maybe the third trainer's the charm.

MAYBE YOU need to see a trainer...

 

[helsonwheels]

[MENTION=18572]Plato[/MENTION] everyone is entitled to their opinions, knowledge n experience. Why they will post how they dealt with an issue. People’s opinion/post simply gives an insight what’s going to happen or how to work with it as they went through it. No one is twisting anyone’s arm to do what that person or their post says. Yes some can be clueless or not sure what to do with the specific issue. Why they ask just like you do in your threads. Doesn’t mean people are stupid simply they are educating themselves on a question(s) they are asking. Like going to your doctor if you’re ill.

 

[oscarmayer]

If a dog is not already neutered or spayed when it comes in, then we take care of that before placement. I'm going to guess that about 40% of the dogs that come in require fixing. Half are males so that means we've done about 200 neuters in the past 20 years...although it seems like many more to me. There has been ZERO medical or behavioral issues with ANY of our males that can be attributed to the neutering. Neutering absolutely gives our bulldogs a better chance of being re-homed and is simply the responsible thing to do from the perspective of a rescue group.
This, FWIW to anyone considering this procedure.
"simply idiotic" is not anything I've ever been called before. Not knowing how to respond to that, I elect not to.