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    we had a great weekend, no episodes and she's been much better in the crate. I use raw boost bites as a reward when training her. I've been throwing them Im her crate all week and picking her bed up at night. She won't go in via command yet but she will go in on her own and lay down. I went back to basics and started feeding her in her crate again. She didn't object one bit. Progress is progress... Our walks have gotten better, I don't see the eyes wide open fear look nearly as much. She would pull back all the time, now its only a few times per walk.

    Yesterday I was laying on the floor playing with her and she nuzzled into me like never before and wanted some serious loving

    @Vicaroo1000 I have been watching the cam and hoping that was the case. When I see her do it, it seems to be out of frustration with the bones at least. She will be laying down, then suddenly stand up and toss it out the crate. So I just leave 1 item in there for her. It seems to have helped.
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    @Bullyproof, I'm just catching up on all that's been going on. What a great job you are dong with her. It's amazing how many quirks we find while trying to understand something else. I'm relieved she's physically ok..

    One thing..please research on here about Bully Sticks. They are very dangerous and one of the things suggested to steer clear of. We even have a member who wrote about her frightening experience with them. @ModernFemme

    http://www.englishbulldognews.com/fo...ever-seriously



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    I'm already way ahead of you @JAKEISGREAT, I stopped with the Bullystick's last week and went to an all natural treat instead. I didn't like the way she acted after she ate one as well. I'm very fortunate that Kiah doesn't try to eat everything. Of course I don't leave anything out for her to get, but still she is real good about not going after stuff that isn't hers. Thank you for the heads up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullyproof View Post
    I'm already way ahead of you @JAKEISGREAT, I stopped with the Bullystick's last week and went to an all natural treat instead. I didn't like the way she acted after she ate one as well. I'm very fortunate that Kiah doesn't try to eat everything. Of course I don't leave anything out for her to get, but still she is real good about not going after stuff that isn't hers. Thank you for the heads up


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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEISGREAT View Post
    Thank god. Some bullys are like Hoovers around here.



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    I have to say, Mona is also very good at leaving things alone. My boxer, was, not so good in this department. I could tell you stories that would make you scratch your head. Lets just say this. Two women living in one house, there were certain times we had to keep the bathroom door shut or Gracie would go in there and destroy things in the trash can. Disgusting to say the least.

    P.S. Sorry, I hope I didn't "take over" your thread. I'm sure you're super busy...but how are things going?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullyproof View Post
    I still love her no matter what, I know this isn't her fault. I don't want to give up on her. I just want to get her the help she needs. She has been ok this afternoon and evening, I saw one "twitch" around 4:30pm and her whole demeanor changed, it lasted about 20 seconds. I backed off, and just talked to her till it was over. She has been listening since I got home. She didn't want to walk very far, I did take her for a car ride. She does really enjoy it.

    Of course when we were at the vet, she was on her best behavior as if nothing was wrong. They looked at me like I was crazy when I told them what happened. They all said, "Oh, dogs don't do that". I explained it to a few different people and the one vet tech was giving me a real hard time. When she took Kiah to draw the panel. I pulled the vet off to the side and had a heart to heart with him. He was truly concerned and he met her last week. He has a bully himself and specializes in them. I looked him dead in the eye and told him, Man to Man, tell me what you think, please, I'm tired of people not taking this seriously. He said, "It definitely sounds neurological due to a chemical imbalance or major abuse." Hopefully the tests will give us some answers.

    I talked to a few behaviorists today as well. 2 of them said, "That's impossible, dogs don't do that". I really wish I had gotten this on camera. I can't believe people aren't taking my word for it. As if I'm doing something wrong. I've only had her 3 weeks, why don't people understand and just blow it off? Too much for them to handle?

    Ana, the behaviorist I have been working with finally called me back. At least she has enough experience she has seen situations similar to this.

    It's just a waiting game at this point, thank you all...
    When reading the descriptions of the attacks, I was thinking "Is this something perhaps dream related?" Then you say in one of your posts it is almost like she's sleep walking/attacking. So I wonder if one way to deal with the problem until you find perhaps a medical solution is to only let her sleep in her crate since you use one anyway. At least you would both then be out of harms way when these attacks overtake her.

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    @Bullyproof

    Random "aggression" is something that I have dealt with in regards to my bully. I think that regardless of our best efforts, we probably got an unsocialized puppy who just doesn't understand proper etiquette. It's up to us to teach him.

    Out of nowhere, especially during play time, Remi will lose his mind and play way too rough, and get pretty aggressive in a way that causes me a few nips and scratches, and sometimes bite/nip rather hard. One thing that works like a charm is to give him a firm no, as a warning. And if he lunges again, biting at clothing, etc, (which he always does) I grab him by the collar and without saying a single word, I put him right in his crate for about 15 minutes. I don't yell at him or punish him because I don't want him to think his crate IS punishment, but the actual punishment is us leaving the room and leaving him in isolation until he's calmed down.

    When we let him out, he's always calm as a cucumber and back to his old self.

    A little tidbit, sometimes he acts this way when I'm on the phone. I'm guessing he wants attention and is kind of pissed.

    BUT. This has happened more and more rarely since he's gotten older, and he's being trained out of it, but I would really give it a shot. 98% of the time Remi is super sweet now and I even trust him near my face for cuddles (who would have thought) and to give me gentle kisses and all of that good stuff, but sometimes he just gets real ornery and needs a time out. Basically, we're just saying, "Hey, that's not cool."

    Fortunately we've never had ANY issues with Remi in his crate. He likes it; it's his room. We always always always (minus when we're using it for isolation) give him a treat or two when he enters, reestablishing that it's a good thing to be in there. Hope this helps!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by LariP View Post
    When reading the descriptions of the attacks, I was thinking "Is this something perhaps dream related?" Then you say in one of your posts it is almost like she's sleep walking/attacking. So I wonder if one way to deal with the problem until you find perhaps a medical solution is to only let her sleep in her crate since you use one anyway. At least you would both then be out of harms way when these attacks overtake her.
    What ive been doing is leaving her bed in the hallway and shutting the door. In the morning when she gets out of her crate, the only place she can go whichis comfy, is her crate. Then when I get home from work I will take the bed out after our walks. Leave it out till around 10pm when we go on our last walk. She screams bloody murder if I attempt to walk her into her crate. So throughout the day I've been tossing treats into her crate and she ends up going in on her own. I feed her in there as well. I then work a bit of obedience and reward her with a high value treat and she's off to la la land. Shes whined for maybe 5 minutes in the past 4 days. She sleeps all day now when I'm gone too. So her bed, which I put out next to my recliner is now a reward for her.

    I fully believe she is having some sort of nightmare. The behaviorist agrees with me. So now, when she's in her bed. I will whistle or call her name every so often. Especially if Im about to make some noise. To this point, it has worked wonders!!
    Everyday I see an improvement. Everyday she respects and trusts me even more. I'm honored that she chose me...


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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesteelapd View Post
    I have to say, Mona is also very good at leaving things alone. My boxer, was, not so good in this department. I could tell you stories that would make you scratch your head. Lets just say this. Two women living in one house, there were certain times we had to keep the bathroom door shut or Gracie would go in there and destroy things in the trash can. Disgusting to say the least.

    P.S. Sorry, I hope I didn't "take over" your thread. I'm sure you're super busy...but how are things going?
    They definitely have a mind of their own. Sorry for the late response, For some reason your post didn't appear on my phone. hmmm...

    Anyways, hijack the thread all you want , you all have been sooo much of a help getting through this. I truly appreciate everything you have said and all the stories you have shared with me. And ugh, ya that can be disgusting, my lab did that back when he was a pup. I know exactly what you mean. I would have parties and he would show off what he found. How does the old say going, give someone an inch and they take a mile? Ya I bet they were referring to dogs in reality, haha!

    Things are going very well actually. I got home from work and we went on a nice walk. The behaviorist came over and we worked on charging and lunging when people get close. Towards the end she was getting it. Once Ana got really closer and used eye contact, Kiah lunged. We stopped there and I put her inside to cool off. She was a bit frustrated with the session, so it was short. She is still a bit wound up as I write this while she is eating her food. We didn't want to over expose her. The good news is she can definitely be de-sensitized and reconditioned. It will just take a lot of work. Kiah is very protective of me. The interesting thing is she doesn't lunge at just anyone, but Ana is very petite and really does resemble one of Kiahs' previous owners. I'm willing to be that had a lot to do with it.

    The good news is that Ana said I've done everything perfectly, there is nothing I should change as far as the corrections or re-training. I was a proud Daddy when I heard that
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    Quote Originally Posted by ModernFemme View Post
    @Bullyproof

    Random "aggression" is something that I have dealt with in regards to my bully. I think that regardless of our best efforts, we probably got an unsocialized puppy who just doesn't understand proper etiquette. It's up to us to teach him.

    Out of nowhere, especially during play time, Remi will lose his mind and play way too rough, and get pretty aggressive in a way that causes me a few nips and scratches, and sometimes bite/nip rather hard. One thing that works like a charm is to give him a firm no, as a warning. And if he lunges again, biting at clothing, etc, (which he always does) I grab him by the collar and without saying a single word, I put him right in his crate for about 15 minutes. I don't yell at him or punish him because I don't want him to think his crate IS punishment, but the actual punishment is us leaving the room and leaving him in isolation until he's calmed down.

    When we let him out, he's always calm as a cucumber and back to his old self.

    A little tidbit, sometimes he acts this way when I'm on the phone. I'm guessing he wants attention and is kind of pissed.

    BUT. This has happened more and more rarely since he's gotten older, and he's being trained out of it, but I would really give it a shot. 98% of the time Remi is super sweet now and I even trust him near my face for cuddles (who would have thought) and to give me gentle kisses and all of that good stuff, but sometimes he just gets real ornery and needs a time out. Basically, we're just saying, "Hey, that's not cool."

    Fortunately we've never had ANY issues with Remi in his crate. He likes it; it's his room. We always always always (minus when we're using it for isolation) give him a treat or two when he enters, reestablishing that it's a good thing to be in there. Hope this helps!!

    I fully agree, I must re-train her in almost every way, shape and form. She is definitely progressing and at certain points, regressing, but we are getting through it.

    Kiah gets too rough at times too, the loud, "Ouch" will stop her for a few seconds, she will then lick me and then start up again. Once she gets up to the point where the bite pressure is too much, I stand up and pick up all of her toys except for her least favorite. Then i'll either walk out of the room, sit in front of my PC or walk outside. Wouldn't ya know, every play time gets better and she is starting to respond to her rope as play instead of my fingers (When she starts to bite harder, I introduce a toy). I don't mind the mouthing and for the most part her pressure isn't hard, but no one taught her the thresholds. She is really getting it and wants to play with Daddy, our play sessions are starting to last longer, it's very exciting!

    I would use the crate but if I try to lead her in there since the episode last week, she screams bloody murder. We are slowly getting her back into feeling safe in there. I toss treats in all day long and give her lots of praise when she inside. What a difference!
    Everyday I see an improvement. Everyday she respects and trusts me even more. I'm honored that she chose me...


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    Just an update. We had a near perfect week, not one episode. Interestingly enough, I changed her food and saw major improvements in her demeanor and potty time. I had friends over this week to help me work with socializing and proper manners. I've been taking her new places at night for our walks. Whether it be the beach, a new neighborhood or a wooded area. I did get a second opinion and the vet wants to wait to see if there is another episode. This may have pointed to an environmental issue from where she used to live. Still no concrete answers. She was soo good this week I even slept in the living room a couple nights with her while her crate was open. Risky, I know but it actually improved our bond. One morning she even woke me up by licking and nuzzling my hand.
    Everyday I see an improvement. Everyday she respects and trusts me even more. I'm honored that she chose me...


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