Dog fight at daycare

[Cbrugs]

UPDATE: Just spoke to neurologist and she is the one that did his surgery. She said Jax had a good range of motion and was not showing signs of pain, no trembling, he was walking and standing just fine. She said it was very possible he aggravated something in his spine during the scuffle and recommends crate rest for a few days. If he shows signs of pain despite the crate rest or if he gets worse, then she recommended bringing him back and they would do an MRI, but did not recommend an MRI at this time based on her exam. And I do know that sometimes a dog with IVDD just needs crate rest if there is a mild episode. So let's hope a little rest is all he needs cause I know I could use some rest too!

Now...who wants to take Louie while we rest...hahahaha! [MENTION=15310]helsonwheels[/MENTION] I am sure Duke would love to have his brother from another mother come and visit for a week...hahahahahaha!!!!

 

[Hankster]

UPDATE: Just spoke to neurologist and she is the one that did his surgery. She said Jax had a good range of motion and was not showing signs of pain, no trembling, he was walking and standing just fine. She said it was very possible he aggravated something in his spine during the scuffle and recommends crate rest for a few days. If he shows signs of pain despite the crate rest or if he gets worse, then she recommended bringing him back and they would do an MRI, but did not recommend an MRI at this time based on her exam. And I do know that sometimes a dog with IVDD just needs crate rest if there is a mild episode. So let's hope a little rest is all he needs cause I know I could use some rest too!

Now...who wants to take Louie while we rest...hahahaha! [MENTION=15310]helsonwheels[/MENTION] I am sure Duke would love to have his brother from another mother come and visit for a week...hahahahahaha!!!!

oh thank goodness!! at least hopeful! and I crack up at your "brother from another mother"!! they look soooooooo much alike and I'm sure could give each other a run for their money... I even laff at your avatars... I have to really look to see if it's you or them lol

 

[Dollys Owner]

So as suspected, the ER vet told me he was fine. My response? Last time he was here I was told he was fine and that he did not have IVDD and then a week later he was having surgery and he does have IVDD. And I basically demanded that he be seen by the neurologist that did his surgery. So I left him there and at some point today the specialist will see him. I just don't trust ER vets. And yeah, I am hoping it's just trauma or maybe pain from his ear but the fact that he was trembling literally ALL night constantly and that it was his back end and legs is what has me worried. Dogs can become paralyzed from IVDD so I would rather be safe than sorry. So now I just wait for the phone call. My poor guys has just been through so much. And I haven't been able to sleep or rest since this all happened in July because after that I had to find a house and then move and now I am living in the middle of a million boxes and can't find anything. I am EXHAUSTED and need a break.

And after this incident, I am done with daycare. Especially after the owner's attitude about Jax not listening to "leave it." I am livid. Now let's hope the owner of the other dog will pay the $300 vet bill for his stitches.

So sorry to hear what happened. Maybe you can get a good day care person who will watch your dog exclusively on Rover.com ?

 

[Cbrugs]

oh thank goodness!! at least hopeful! and I crack up at your "brother from another mother"!! they look soooooooo much alike and I'm sure could give each other a run for their money... I even laff at your avatars... I have to really look to see if it's you or them lol

And they are both trouble with a capital T!!!

 

[helsonwheels]

UPDATE: Just spoke to neurologist and she is the one that did his surgery. She said Jax had a good range of motion and was not showing signs of pain, no trembling, he was walking and standing just fine. She said it was very possible he aggravated something in his spine during the scuffle and recommends crate rest for a few days. If he shows signs of pain despite the crate rest or if he gets worse, then she recommended bringing him back and they would do an MRI, but did not recommend an MRI at this time based on her exam. And I do know that sometimes a dog with IVDD just needs crate rest if there is a mild episode. So let's hope a little rest is all he needs cause I know I could use some rest too!

Now...who wants to take Louie while we rest...hahahaha! [MENTION=15310]helsonwheels[/MENTION] I am sure Duke would love to have his brother from another mother come and visit for a week...hahahahahaha!!!!

Hey I would take him anytime. Hmmmm Seattle isnt that far from me. Im glad he's back on track. I doubt the owner will pay anything. Like mentioned if there's a contract...you need to read it. But they're dogs. I recall my GS the only one that would keep him was the RCMP (Royal Canadian mountain police) as they work with GS. Lady said that I needed to sign a contract that if something happens to another dog cause of Major im responsible. I said NO...I knew Major would rip any dog apart. I told her " He WILL attack all your dogs". YOU sign me a contract to KEEP him away from all dogs! Was the other way around. Lol So Major always would play with the employees one on one. He loved people but not animals of any kind. Why daycares, parks are out of the question for Nyala n Duke.

 

[Cbrugs]

Hey I would take him anytime. Hmmmm Seattle isnt that far from me. Im glad he's back on track. I doubt the owner will pay anything. Like mentioned if there's a contract...you need to read it. But they're dogs. I recall my GS the only one that would keep him was the RCMP (Royal Canadian mountain police) as they work with GS. Lady said that I needed to sign a contract that if something happens to another dog cause of Major im responsible. I said NO...I knew Major would rip any dog apart. I told her " He WILL attack all your dogs". YOU sign me a contract to KEEP him away from all dogs! Was the other way around. Lol So Major always would play with the employees one on one. He loved people but not animals of any kind. Why daycares, parks are out of the question for Nyala n Duke.

Sent email this morning and have heard nothing. The owner of the daycare had said Nola’s owner would pay as if they had a conversation. But who knows. I won’t hold my breath. I’ll submit to insurance if I don’t hear back.

And no more daycare. Jax and Louie can play with each other, we’ll play with them, walks when we’re not getting dumped with rain. It will all be fine and will save me money.


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[helsonwheels]

Sent email this morning and have heard nothing. The owner of the daycare had said Nola’s owner would pay as if they had a conversation. But who knows. I won’t hold my breath. I’ll submit to insurance if I don’t hear back.

And no more daycare. Jax and Louie can play with each other, we’ll play with them, walks when we’re not getting dumped with rain. It will all be fine and will save me money.


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Why I got Duke to keep Nyala occupied. But I think he keeps me more occupied than Nyala lollll
You know, deep down they are great for one another. Im sure yours can do the same without going to daycares. I bring them with me on deliveries or my sons homes to play with their dogs or one of my son as you know comes over with his dogs. Da cousins! There's always ways to figure out how to keep them busy. Just need to help them out or they will become lazy. Not healthly. Why I try to walk earlier in the morning before I start my day as I work 7 days a week these days. So I still find ways to keep them busy.

 

[oscarmayer]

...we needed to work on the leave it command and if our dogs weren’t going to listen, they wouldn’t be able to go back.

Firstly, thank goodness that Jax wasn't hurt worse. A ripped ear is fairly common in a dog scuffle.

The owner is living in fairy land if they think that the command "leave it" will stop an altercation driven by adrenaline. Once the level of chaos and excitement reaches a certain point, only physical intervention can stop it before serious injury. If the owner were to put EVERY dog in her day care facility in a similar scenario, next to none would respond to "leave it". I'd bet my so so reputation on it.

And it would concern me that Nola, able to lift Jax by the ear, is even allowed to be out with dogs so much smaller...large dogs with large dogs and small with small.
The owner needs to focus attention on better training of the staff.

 

[MFrey2012]

[MENTION=16619]Cbrugs[/MENTION] - Citty, Ellie and I have been following along, glad to here Jax is on the mend. Hope you are getting some rest as well.

How scary, Ellie did daycare for a bit as well, she LOVED it, but kept getting Kennel Cough!!

Was easy for mommy to not run home at lunch, but we ditched it as well, mommy's gas is cheaper.

We got nanny cam's and soon ms Ellie, will start to get run of the house, till the sitter starts coming.

 

[Cbrugs]

Firstly, thank goodness that Jax wasn't hurt worse. A ripped ear is fairly common in a dog scuffle.

The owner is living in fairy land if they think that the command "leave it" will stop an altercation driven by adrenaline. Once the level of chaos and excitement reaches a certain point, only physical intervention can stop it before serious injury. If the owner were to put EVERY dog in her day care facility in a similar scenario, next to none would respond to "leave it". I'd bet my so so reputation on it.

And it would concern me that Nola, able to lift Jax by the ear, is even allowed to be out with dogs so much smaller...large dogs with large dogs and small with small.
The owner needs to focus attention on better training of the staff.

Exactly!!!!!


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[Cbrugs]

[MENTION=16619]Cbrugs[/MENTION] - Citty, Ellie and I have been following along, glad to here Jax is on the mend. Hope you are getting some rest as well.

How scary, Ellie did daycare for a bit as well, she LOVED it, but kept getting Kennel Cough!!

Was easy for mommy to not run home at lunch, but we ditched it as well, mommy's gas is cheaper.

We got nanny cam's and soon ms Ellie, will start to get run of the house, till the sitter starts coming.

This is the first time Jax has had an issue there and I totally blame the attendant. So problem solved...no more daycare, too risky especially for Jax and his spine. Just not worth it.


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[2BullyMama]

UPDATE:

Now...who wants to take Louie while we rest...hahahaha! @helsonwheels I am sure Duke would love to have his brother from another mother come and visit for a week...hahahahahaha!!!!

The are both ALL mine!!!!

I gotta share... I used to work at a dog daycare, did for 4 years... we had many separate play areas and we were all training (small level) on how to deal with any altercations, scuffles, fights, etc. We either lifted and pulled by hips if it was really bad or we used water bottles to spray them, a few times we had to throw the full bottle on them to break them up, but the owner of the place was VERY savvy and she would separate the dogs in the play areas by 'size and personality'... it worked great! In the 4 years I worked there and the 5 yrs total my babies attended -- I think there we maybe about 10 incidents where another dog had to go to a vet. I'm not saying the staff was 'great'.. it was that the owner knew how to place the dogs according to activity level... we even rotated them when we noticed they we overly excited or if we knew certain pups didn't like each other.... all a management style.

 

[Cbrugs]

The are both ALL mine!!!!

I gotta share... I used to work at a dog daycare, did for 4 years... we had many separate play areas and we were all training (small level) on how to deal with any altercations, scuffles, fights, etc. We either lifted and pulled by hips if it was really bad or we used water bottles to spray them, a few times we had to throw the full bottle on them to break them up, but the owner of the place was VERY savvy and she would separate the dogs in the play areas by 'size and personality'... it worked great! In the 4 years I worked there and the 5 yrs total my babies attended -- I think there we maybe about 10 incidents where another dog had to go to a vet. I'm not saying the staff was 'great'.. it was that the owner knew how to place the dogs according to activity level... we even rotated them when we noticed they we overly excited or if we knew certain pups didn't like each other.... all a management style.

Take them!! Lol

I understand stuff happens...they are dogs after all. I really didn’t like their attitude about the whole situation and the fact she was blaming the dogs. The situation could have been handled much better.


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[Dollys Owner]

The are both ALL mine!!!!

I gotta share... I used to work at a dog daycare, did for 4 years... we had many separate play areas and we were all training (small level) on how to deal with any altercations, scuffles, fights, etc. We either lifted and pulled by hips if it was really bad or we used water bottles to spray them, a few times we had to throw the full bottle on them to break them up, but the owner of the place was VERY savvy and she would separate the dogs in the play areas by 'size and personality'... it worked great! In the 4 years I worked there and the 5 yrs total my babies attended -- I think there we maybe about 10 incidents where another dog had to go to a vet. I'm not saying the staff was 'great'.. it was that the owner knew how to place the dogs according to activity level... we even rotated them when we noticed they we overly excited or if we knew certain pups didn't like each other.... all a management style.

From what I've seen of dogs really fighting, I don't think throwing water on them would do a lot. The dogs are feral, not thinking at all. You need to separate them in a way that you don't get hurt. Having them harnessed up works well since you can grab them with the loop on top of the harness. Grabbing their hips is difficult because they are slippery as they strain very hard to get at each other. I hate to say it, but I'd rather someone kick the dogs apart then stick their hand or body in the middle and get bitten.

 

[helsonwheels]

How's little Jax doing this evening? [MENTION=15364]oscarmayer[/MENTION] is 200% right in his post. Usually the ears will be bitten. Staff should really be trained. I believe all doggy daycare owners should be trained and all employees. Daycares just like children's daycare employees should have some background in training.

Wonder if [MENTION=15364]oscarmayer[/MENTION] drives a sausage car or is it a truck.

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