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    I just got my EB and he is 3 months old. The only reason I haven't started him on the Raw food is I don't have a meat grinder at the moment. Puppies are the easiest to go from kibble to raw. Make the switch and he or she may have cannon butt but then again they may not. I will be ordering my meat grinder in the morning. I will be doing chicken backs, chicken feet, chicken heads, beef heart, beef liver but not to much though as its a organ. But I will also be blending daily carrots, broccoli, and other green and even fruits and soft boiled eggs and once a week plain yogurt for digestion. This is a great meal and I'll make 20 to 30 pounds and that will so last me a long time. My Dozer will not be on burnt processed nasty food much longer.

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    I am strongly considering a raw diet for my bulldog he has had several bouts of problems with pooping since we got him at 10 weeks old, he's 6 months now. His last bout was diagnosed as acute colitis and that has what has made me think raw might be better than the bulldog junior kibble he is on at the moment.
    I am a little unsure exactly what meats you can feed safely. For example can they have raw turkey because I've heard turkey meat (maybe it only applies to cooked) is bad for their pancreas?
    Can you feed them a raw chicken leg (without skin) with the bone in?
    I'm also very unsure of what a meal should consist of, should there be vegetables and/or something like pasta or rice included?
    Sorry I seem so clueless but I want to get this right so we don't over or underfeed our bully.

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    If you're considering raw feeding I always advice to buy a book about raw feeding and start following that. Most of the books will advice you to modify the diet according to the reaction of your dog. The internet is full of misleading information, like turkey is bad for the pancreas. Then some dogs can't handle chicken skin and the next can....one needs more bone than the other and next will do great with less. It's about what is suited for your bully and you have to start with the basics and go from there. If I wright what is the basics for me the next guy will come along and tell what it was for them...it can get really confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilo View Post
    I am strongly considering a raw diet for my bulldog he has had several bouts of problems with pooping since we got him at 10 weeks old, he's 6 months now. His last bout was diagnosed as acute colitis and that has what has made me think raw might be better than the bulldog junior kibble he is on at the moment.
    I am a little unsure exactly what meats you can feed safely. For example can they have raw turkey because I've heard turkey meat (maybe it only applies to cooked) is bad for their pancreas?
    Can you feed them a raw chicken leg (without skin) with the bone in?
    I'm also very unsure of what a meal should consist of, should there be vegetables and/or something like pasta or rice included?
    Sorry I seem so clueless but I want to get this right so we don't over or underfeed our bully.
    Only applies to cooked. It's due to owners feeding a cooked turkey (mostly during holiday times) that the turkey is basting in butter ect…it's too much for the dog's pancreas. Raw turkey should be fine. I was advised to give raw turkey necks, bones and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiiSi View Post
    If you're considering raw feeding I always advice to buy a book about raw feeding and start following that. Most of the books will advice you to modify the diet according to the reaction of your dog. The internet is full of misleading information, like turkey is bad for the pancreas. Then some dogs can't handle chicken skin and the next can....one needs more bone than the other and next will do great with less. It's about what is suited for your bully and you have to start with the basics and go from there. If I wright what is the basics for me the next guy will come along and tell what it was for them...it can get really confusing.
    Yep it's confusing alright thanks for the advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilo View Post
    I am strongly considering a raw diet for my bulldog he has had several bouts of problems with pooping since we got him at 10 weeks old, he's 6 months now. His last bout was diagnosed as acute colitis and that has what has made me think raw might be better than the bulldog junior kibble he is on at the moment.
    I am a little unsure exactly what meats you can feed safely. For example can they have raw turkey because I've heard turkey meat (maybe it only applies to cooked) is bad for their pancreas?
    Can you feed them a raw chicken leg (without skin) with the bone in?
    I'm also very unsure of what a meal should consist of, should there be vegetables and/or something like pasta or rice included?
    Sorry I seem so clueless but I want to get this right so we don't over or underfeed our bully.
    Your dog is 6 months old. Old enough to take raw. The guideline ratio is 80:10:10 or 75:15:10 of meat : bone : organ
    Amount to feed is 2-3% of expected adult body weight per day (split over 2-3 meals)

    Start out simple. Chicken is a good protein to start with.
    Feed chicken back/breast/neck with bone (large enough pieces to discourage gulping). After the pup figures it out, introduce legs.
    I would not give legs unsupervised till about a year. EBs are greedy and gulp food.
    You can however hand hold the leg and encourage your pup to tear meat and chew bone.
    Introduce organs (liver/heart/etc) slowly; these usually cause runny stools the first few times.
    With skin chicken is good once in a while (once a week at most). Most of the fat resides beneath the skin.
    3-5 boiled eggs a week is good for your dog, as long as it can handle it.

    After your pup stabilizes on chicken, try turkey, beef, lamb or any other meat that you can procure from a trusted source.
    Follow the same regimen, except no beef/lamb bones. They are way too hard for dogs and EBs in particular; will break teeth and choking hazard.

    Rice/pasta/veggies/fruits are optional. I do feed these occasionally.
    The trick is not to feed with the meal which contains raw meat. Plant matter takes longer to digest than animal products.
    I feed veggies/fruits as a side snack. Mostly given because of the drooling dogs. The moment I reach out for a banana or apple or orange, my mutts are in front of me drooling.
    So they get a small amount.
    Rice and pasta need to be cooked well; in fact overcooked is better than under cooked. With rice I usually give yogurt. Pasta is plain; no sauce; sometimes with watered down milk.
    These are usually a meal without any meat/eggs in it and most often at dinner. Gives a longer time for digestion.

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    My bullies get their veggies pureed and frozen with every meal, no problems. That is the only way they can take any benefit from them. If you feed them in pieces you will find out that they come out basicly undigested. I also would not give cows milk.

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    As Riikka/RiiSi points out, the switch to raw can be cold turkey or gradual. You need trial and error to figure out what works and what does not.
    Cheers,
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    Recommendations on how to start with rawfeeding

    1. Generally, you should feed 2-3% of your dog’s ideal adult body weight. Those that may need more are those that are either pregnant, puppies tiny/toy or very active dogs where 4-5% is recommended. Since adult bulldogs are less active, you may find that you can feed less than 2% body weight.

    2. If you are unsure of your pup’s adult weight, go by the weight of their parents or the average breed weight. Note that it is better to feed a little less in the beginning than feed more as this will avoid cannon butt and runny stools.

    3. Generally, the 80-10-10 is followed.
    • 80% meat (muscle meat, heart, gizzards, tongue, etc.)
    • 10% bone
    • 10% organs, max 5% liver as it is too rich (pancreas, liver, spleen, trachea, esophagus, thymus, etc.)


    4. “Balance over time”. You do not need to go through the trouble and follow the 80-10-10 rule daily, rather, it should be over weeks and even months. In the wild, wolves will eat different parts of a large animal over days, some getting more muscle, while those at the bottom of the chain will only get the leftovers such as the organs.

    5. Runny poop is different from diarrhea. The latter is very liquid, watery explosions that are caused by disease or parasites. Tips to avoid runny poops:

    • Decrease the total amount of food
    • Increase the bone content
    • Increase the length of new meat intro
    • Cut off the fatty parts of the meat and save it for later
    • Introduce organs last


    6. Never feed beef bones and weight bearing bones of large animals as they are too dense and will only sit in your bully’s stomach. They are also tooth breakers. For my bullies, I avoid beef and pork bones to be safe but some here feed some parts such as riblets. Again, please research or ask before feeding anything suspicious.

    7. A lot of the nutrients disappear when you cook food. But it's not an uncommon practice. But remember that IT IS DANGEROUS TO GIVE OUR DOGS COOKED BONE. That's where people get confused. Cooking causes them to become brittle and splinter.

    8. At first, buy an inexpensive meat scale and weigh the daily portions. As time passes, you’ll find that you won’t need to continue to weigh and go by how your pup is doing.

    9. Unlike switching kibbles where there’s a transition period, your dog can quit kibble cold turkey and start the raw diet immediately.

    10. In the beginning, offer 2 meals a day for an adult dog, 3 meals for a pup under six months old, 4 meals for those that are under 4 months old and for tiny dogs. Once they are an adult (with the exception of toy/tiny dogs), you should be able to feed only once a day. Some owners recommend feeding at least twice a day for larger breeds such as great danes.

    11. Feed larger sized meat pieces. Avoid cutting them into smaller chunks or grinding them. By allowing your bully to chew, paw and work through the meat, he will get physical, mental and dental satisfaction. HOWEVER, most rawfeeders avoid giving pieces that are as big as their dog’s head. They consider these to be choking hazards as they are small enough to swallow whole and big enough to get stuck in the throat. Since our bulldogs tend to have bigger heads, the size range that I avoid is anything from as small as my fist (or half a fist for most guys) to the size of a chicken leg. I cut up any pieces in this range. Again, “Know Thy Dog” … IF IN DOUBT, CUT IT UP!

    12. It’s normal for your bully to regurgitate their food now and again. They will re-eat it after more crunching and chewing.


    13. Give 1 protein for at least one or two weeks, then introduce another after. Some owners do a transition period where they would add small pieces of the new to the old and gradually increase the new as the days pass.

    14. Read labels of all the protein you purchase. All meats must not be enhanced, flavoured, seasoned, etc and the sodium content must not exceed 100mg./4oz. Note that it is U.S. regulation that chicken cannot be enhanced.

    15. Bone is commonly used to control poop consistency. The more bone, the firmer the stool. In the beginning, it is suggested that you sway from the 80-10-10 rule until you and your bully find the best ratio. If you find that he has dry fossil poop, decrease the amount of bone, if it is runny or too soft, increase. As weeks pass, you may find that your bully can handle a boneless meal now and again.

    16. Most owners start with chicken as it is one of the cheaper meats, easy to obtain and bland as a protein. I started my bully with a chicken back. Some members here started with a leg quarter. Note that a leg quarter has 30% bone. You can also trim off the fats and skin to start to avoid runny stools.

    17. Do not be surprised if your bully poops or vomits small bone pieces from the previous meal in the beginning. Again, his stomach needs to go through an adjustment period and the occurrence should decrease or cease eventually.

    18. It is also not uncommon for them to vomit bile. The reasoning is similar to the above, especially if you decrease the amount of daily feedings.

    19. Rawfed dogs drink less water than kibble fed dogs as they get some of the intake from the meat.

    20. If after reading this you have more questions. PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO ASK. Knowledge is power … and for this instance, it’s for safety.
    Hi there. I was reading your post...great info. I went to the BARF website and saw they offer the product. Is that something worth considering? I assume it's probably more expensive than the do it your self method. Love to hear your input.

    Thanks,
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    Which product are you speaking about? A pre-made patty? If so, there are plenty of other suppliers that may be closer to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Colosimo View Post
    Hi there. I was reading your post...great info. I went to the BARF website and saw they offer the product. Is that something worth considering? I assume it's probably more expensive than the do it your self method. Love to hear your input.

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    Which product are you speaking about? A pre-made patty? If so, there are plenty of other suppliers that may be closer to you.
    Yes - It looks like they are sold in 6lb packages each with 12-8oz patties. Do you know of any suppliers in the Columbus Ohio area that you would recommend?

    Thanks!

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    I find that reading online reviews is best when it comes to choosing suppliers that have an online presence. I don't know any suppliers in the Ohio area, but I quickly googled 'barf ohio' and came upon several websites.

    You're also able to compare the different prices, and find that sourcing from different suppliers may be best because each may carry differing items.
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