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    Hi guys this is my first post and my wife and I just got a EB he is 14 weeks. We have had him since he was 8 weeks. A week after we got him we found this odd scab under his chest and we took him to the vet. The vet put him on some antibiotics and gave us a antibacterial shampoo. It seemed like it was disappearing and then came back twice as bad! Now our puppy, Bubba has lost a good portion of his hair. We have tried two different type of antibiotics and 3 skin scrapings by 2 different vets to make sure it wasn't mange. Bacteria and fungal cultures were taken, the bacteria came back as enterococcus and he was prescribed more amoxicillin for a longer period of time and higher dose. Fungal is still pending. We bath him once a week with a sulfur and lime dip that the vet gave us which is used for scabies. If you have any ideas or have experienced this with your dog please let me know!
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    OUCH! That looks so painful! Poor guy . Could it just be from trapped moisture? I am not sure but boy...it doesn't look good. Hopefully someone will see it and will be able to tell what it is. Have you thought to go to a dermatologist?

    Oh, and welcome to EBN! We are so glad you found us. We like lots of stories and PICTURES! What is your puppy's name?

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    What about a food allergy? What kind of food do you feed him? He could be allergic to one of the ingredients.

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    His name is Bubba, we are currently feeding him Blue Buffalo the duck recipe 100& grain free. We initially started him on Nutro Premium for large breed puppy. He gets cottage cheese and greek yogurt. He is currently crate training/potty training. In his crate he has a crate bedding from petsmart since he's been doing so good with the training. We give him half a benadryl in the morning and the evening. I just started to give him 2 raw eggs a week.

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    Looking at the photos, it looks like mange. However my next guess would be an allergy of some kind. Watch out for things like, plastic and synthetic fibers. My Abby is allergic to certain foods like pork and dairy products. You have Bubba on a good food, maybe limit other items in his diet and see if he clears up, then introduce one at a time. Also I had to switch to glass and stainless bowls due to the allergies.

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    poor little guy and poor you... I don't want to diagnose your dog BUT we had horrible issues with Duke when he was a pup for the first year. We never had what you had under the chest but Duke would get that around his neck area ( where you would put a collar ) on the top of his head.. he would then scratch the heck out of it until he bled and dug holes into his poor skin. Now we took the long hard road for almost a year...... back and forth to the regular vet.. antibiotics, creams, special shampoos etc.. we also tried every food trial under the sun ( all of this costing lots of money ) finally I was so frustrated I found a local vet dermatologist who insisted we have Duke Allergy tested.. we got the blood test and other test ( forget what its called ) they shave a portion of their hair and inject them to see what they are allergic to. well it is not food after a year of all of this.. Duke is allergic to wool and different types of molds.. so we got rid of all the wool blankets etc and began him on allergy shots.. we put him at that point on DVP limited ingredient duck and potato and he also had to be put on steroids to clear everything up. eventually we gave up on the allergy shots .. since we got rid of the wool he never had those patches again and never scratched til he bled.. he still suffers with his face being itchy and does butt spins.. so to keep all at bay he gets a very low dose steroid 10 mg every other day and we give him Zretc.. ( wanted to mention that allergy meds , of course confirm with your vet ) are given by weight

    my point is if I were you i would go straight to a dermatologist .. save your little guy all the pain and suffering and save you all the money and just get them to pinpoint what is going on. I wish someone had told me to do this with duke. Now we take him for checkups every 6 months to the same dermatologist but he never gets rashes or ear infections anymore..

    we have also recently switched him to NVI beef formula to build his immune system and his coat is like silk!!

    also ( I do not know too much about food allergies other than 80 % of the time the allergies are airborne but I would cut back on trying all these different things with your pup until you figure out what's going on.. he could very well have an allergy to food and if you keep mixing new things you won't be able to pin point.

    I hope this is helpful.. he is such a cutie.. Good Luck to you..

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    Hi bubba88, oh my gosh your poor sweet bully baby!!!!

    These look like hot spots. They can be triggered by numerous things, so the only thing you can do is elimanate all possibilities and allergens. He is young, so more than likely it is a contact or food allergy, as envoirnmental allergies do not (usually) come out so young. It could have triggered by the stress of leaving his mum, and is a downward spiral.

    I have a couple of questions. When you brought him home, did you change food? Did the vet discuss or recommend shaving those areas? Have you been back to the vet since? Do you have any cats or other animals that can cause allergies?

    I have some suggestions, all based upon experience only, I am not a vet-- but I have delt with hot spots.

    Those areas need to dry out. Shaving the fur can help with this. Wash the area every other day at least.

    Remove all 'extras' you are giving. If this is a food allergy, which it could possibly be, keep him strictly on kibble. No treats except fruits or veggies.

    Remove all bedding from where he lays. Some beds are made of mesquite chips, wool and other possible allergens. Even carpeting can cause an allergic reaction. Try just a cotton sheet, that has been washed a few times in FREE and CLEAR detergeants/softeners. Try to keep him off of carpeted areas as much as possible.

    Remove all toys that are rubber or cloth. Stick with toys like nylabones for now.

    Remove any collar and only use it to take out when needed. Even tags/metal clips/ect. can cause allergies. I had Jesse's collar on for a week, which I normally don't do, and she got the same exact thing under her neck, it smells of death. It was from the metal on the collar. No more metal collars for Jesse.

    No plastic dishes, use stainless or ceramic and wash after each meal.

    Possibly try a food change. Switch slowly!!!! and choose a protein source that is not chicken/turkey/duck ect. No birds, basically. Look at all the ingredients on the bag. Remember, grain free does not mean allergy free. Check out the dog food ratings to assist you in making a new food selection. My worst hot spots ever was on Tidus, I changed his food to chicken and it was awful. He is now on Fromm Beef Frittatta.

    I would really, really REALLY love to help your baby get better. I know this sounds like a lot, but it really is the only way to try to determine what is causing this. Otherwise you will clear it up, and it WILL come back.

    Once you get it cleared up, you can slowly introduce all allergy possibilities you have removed from his life, one at a time. Wait 1 week in between each new "introduction" of items.

    I would love it if you could also keep us up to date, please.... I tend to worry.


    Here is Tidus's hot spot (before shaved and after shaved) so you can see, once we started shaving the area it was amazing how many hives there was, and the puss was awful:






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    Welcome! You got some good advice above, I can't really add any advice because we haven't experienced anything nearly so bad with HRH. Just my hope that Bubba gets better soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertskybulldogs View Post
    Hi bubba88, oh my gosh your poor sweet bully baby!!!!

    These look like hot spots. They can be triggered by numerous things, so the only thing you can do is elimanate all possibilities and allergens. He is young, so more than likely it is a contact or food allergy, as envoirnmental allergies do not (usually) come out so young. It could have triggered by the stress of leaving his mum, and is a downward spiral.

    I have a couple of questions. When you brought him home, did you change food? Did the vet discuss or recommend shaving those areas? Have you been back to the vet since? Do you have any cats or other animals that can cause allergies?

    I have some suggestions, all based upon experience only, I am not a vet-- but I have delt with hot spots.

    Those areas need to dry out. Shaving the fur can help with this. Wash the area every other day at least.

    Remove all 'extras' you are giving. If this is a food allergy, which it could possibly be, keep him strictly on kibble. No treats except fruits or veggies.

    Remove all bedding from where he lays. Some beds are made of mesquite chips, wool and other possible allergens. Even carpeting can cause an allergic reaction. Try just a cotton sheet, that has been washed a few times in FREE and CLEAR detergeants/softeners. Try to keep him off of carpeted areas as much as possible.

    Remove all toys that are rubber or cloth. Stick with toys like nylabones for now.

    Remove any collar and only use it to take out when needed. Even tags/metal clips/ect. can cause allergies. I had Jesse's collar on for a week, which I normally don't do, and she got the same exact thing under her neck, it smells of death. It was from the metal on the collar. No more metal collars for Jesse.

    No plastic dishes, use stainless or ceramic and wash after each meal.

    Possibly try a food change. Switch slowly!!!! and choose a protein source that is not chicken/turkey/duck ect. No birds, basically. Look at all the ingredients on the bag. Remember, grain free does not mean allergy free. Check out the dog food ratings to assist you in making a new food selection. My worst hot spots ever was on Tidus, I changed his food to chicken and it was awful. He is now on Fromm Beef Frittatta.

    I would really, really REALLY love to help your baby get better. I know this sounds like a lot, but it really is the only way to try to determine what is causing this. Otherwise you will clear it up, and it WILL come back.

    Once you get it cleared up, you can slowly introduce all allergy possibilities you have removed from his life, one at a time. Wait 1 week in between each new "introduction" of items.

    I would love it if you could also keep us up to date, please.... I tend to worry.


    Here is Tidus's hot spot (before shaved and after shaved) so you can see, once we started shaving the area it was amazing how many hives there was, and the puss was awful:





    Great info !! and yes I forgot about shaving the area where the hot spot is.. We did have to do this with Duke as well.

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    Thanks guys I think we are going to start all over with him. Kibble only, no bedding, no plastic, no carpet. We do have 2 cats but they do not come near him. We will look for a dermatologist. Our vet did say we should hold off on that because he is still to young for that. We just want our little boy back to normal. Here is a before picture and after.
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    Personally I would run, not walk to the dermatologist. You will most likely save money and save him any more pain in the long run. You are good parents for trying so hard to help him!

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    Awww bless! That must itch something fierce.... keep in touch, cannot wait to hear what the dermitologist says. I would so go with allergy testing on that.

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