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    @Rosiesmom My first concern when reading your post was......70#!!! What a big girl you have. I think they are also head tremors. Which, although scary, is fairly common in an English bulldog. Bulldogs metabolize their food fairly quickly and it can cause hypoglycemia aka low blood sugar. Keep a camera handy. Next time she starts...get it on video. @kazzy220 has video of her bulldog having head tremors. Both Vegas and Winston have epilepsy. I have video of Vegas's...but it is very hard to watch. There are certain things that differ between this type of seizure and the head tremors. 1)there are pre-seizure symptoms...like fly-chasing or turning in circles. Although during this stage, they can hear you..the brain is firing off all this electricity, they are almost in a incoherent state. 2)the seizure..which does not stop by distracting them. They are completely UNAWARE of what is going on...but their whole body is involved. They are unable (and keep in mind I'm going by my experience alone) to walk around or interact. Sometimes during a seizure..they loose bowl control or urinate. (thankfully this hasn't happened since the start of 2009 with Vegas) The seizure can last up to 3 minutes...with several minutes afterwards to recover. 3)the postictal stage. With Vegas, he might pace. His brain is still firing electricity and he might wander or pace for hours. Sometimes the seizure is over and 10 minutes later he is already curled up in bed fast asleep. Sometimes he is blind and walks straight into stuff. Our vet says he thinks it's more "confused" than "blind". During this stage, you can distract him. I often give him a treat ball that he can focus on and chase around the room.

    YouTube - Bulldog seizure
    YouTube - Bulldog epilepsy. Focal Facial seizure.
    YouTube - An hour after....recovering.
    These can be hard to watch..but I want you to see how they can differ.

    From what you've told me, I really think Rosie is experiencing head tremors and nothing else. For this, valium is not the answer, but food is. I'm not the person to give advice on the head tremor part and the stuff that might work for it. But the others will be.

    Vegas, like Winston..is on twice daily dosing of phenobarbital and potassium bromide. I would really like to get Vegas of the phenobarbital...since that can cause liver damage. We've tried, but the seizures get worse.
    Please feel free to ask me any questions you may have. I honestly think you are dealing with something that is pretty common. I think you will be fine and I know Rosie will be fine. Muah!
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    everyone I would have mentioned has already arrived..I have no experience with this atall but you will get plenty of help and advise.
    for you and Rosie xx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libra926 View Post
    @Rosiesmom My first concern when reading your post was......70#!!! What a big girl you have. I think they are also head tremors. Which, although scary, is fairly common in an English bulldog. Bulldogs metabolize their food fairly quickly and it can cause hypoglycemia aka low blood sugar. Keep a camera handy. Next time she starts...get it on video. @kazzy220 has video of her bulldog having head tremors. Both Vegas and Winston have epilepsy. I have video of Vegas's...but it is very hard to watch. There are certain things that differ between this type of seizure and the head tremors. 1)there are pre-seizure symptoms...like fly-chasing or turning in circles. Although during this stage, they can hear you..the brain is firing off all this electricity, they are almost in a incoherent state. 2)the seizure..which does not stop by distracting them. They are completely UNAWARE of what is going on...but their whole body is involved. They are unable (and keep in mind I'm going by my experience alone) to walk around or interact. Sometimes during a seizure..they loose bowl control or urinate. (thankfully this hasn't happened since the start of 2009 with Vegas) The seizure can last up to 3 minutes...with several minutes afterwards to recover. 3)the postictal stage. With Vegas, he might pace. His brain is still firing electricity and he might wander or pace for hours. Sometimes the seizure is over and 10 minutes later he is already curled up in bed fast asleep. Sometimes he is blind and walks straight into stuff. Our vet says he thinks it's more "confused" than "blind". During this stage, you can distract him. I often give him a treat ball that he can focus on and chase around the room.

    YouTube - Bulldog seizure
    YouTube - Bulldog epilepsy. Focal Facial seizure.
    YouTube - An hour after....recovering.
    These can be hard to watch..but I want you to see how they can differ.

    From what you've told me, I really think Rosie is experiencing head tremors and nothing else. For this, valium is not the answer, but food is. I'm not the person to give advice on the head tremor part and the stuff that might work for it. But the others will be.

    Vegas, like Winston..is on twice daily dosing of phenobarbital and potassium bromide. I would really like to get Vegas of the phenobarbital...since that can cause liver damage. We've tried, but the seizures get worse.
    Please feel free to ask me any questions you may have. I honestly think you are dealing with something that is pretty common. I think you will be fine and I know Rosie will be fine. Muah!
    OMG I am so glad you warned be about those videos. I just cried all my eye makeup off. God bless you for being such a good mommy and taking care of him. I just want to hug Vegas! He doesn't deserve to go have to go through all of that. Breaks my heart After watching your videos I am positive that you and the others on here are right, she is not having a seizure. Her episodes looked NOTHING like poor Vegas (or the others that I watched on there). I can not wait to talk to the vet today about all of this. Thankyou so much for you advice. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate it!!
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    @Rosiesmom From the description, I agree with alot of people on here, that it sounds more like idiopathic head tremors. They are very common in bulldogs and I'm astounded that your vet doesn't know what one is when it's right there in front of them!!!! I suggest another vet could be something to look into!!!

    Nobody really knows for sure what actually causes a head tremor ... there are some who feel it is linked to low blood sugar, and there are those of us who have experienced it when the bully becomes over-stimulated. @KMARINO had this with Vegas when he wanted his stinky toy!!! With Maggie it's when she thinks she's going to get a treat. I'm posting a link to the video that I made ... I'm asking her if she wants a baby carrot. I've stopped asking her if she wants a treat now, and I just give it to her instead. However, I can still be in the kitchen making dinner and look round to find Maggie sat behind me shaking her head like this because she's decided that she's gonna get something!!!

    YouTube - Maggie

    Let me know if this is what Rosie was doing .. if it was then I'd put my money on it being a head tremor and unfortunately there's nothing you can do about them!!

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    @Libra926 omg...thats so sad.. poor vegas

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    We too have experienced Head Tremors.. and it is frightening! We too thought it was seizures, but after testing, and many opinions - we learned that it was indeed head tremors.
    We were also told that it could be low blood sugar or a calcium deficiency. We tried to give Otis some sugar when the tremors would start.. That didn't work... Then we started him on Tums.. for the calcium, and that didn't work. We now give him 1/4 cup of cottage cheese every morning with his breakfast, and that seems to be doing the trick. He was having tremors that would last for 8-17 minutes, and he was fully aware of what was going on.. and would come out of it and continue playing. Now if he has a tremor (which is RARE), it lasts less than a minute or two at the most. And it mostly happens when he lays on his right side. I'm also very very diligent about keeping his ears clean too. Not sure if wax build up in the ear causes pressure or not, but I would rather be safe and just keep them clean.
    I hope it helps to know that you're not alone... I was terrified when they started, so I know just how scared you are right now... Keep us posted!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzy220 View Post
    @Rosiesmom From the description, I agree with alot of people on here, that it sounds more like idiopathic head tremors. They are very common in bulldogs and I'm astounded that your vet doesn't know what one is when it's right there in front of them!!!! I suggest another vet could be something to look into!!!

    Nobody really knows for sure what actually causes a head tremor ... there are some who feel it is linked to low blood sugar, and there are those of us who have experienced it when the bully becomes over-stimulated. @KMARINO had this with Vegas when he wanted his stinky toy!!! With Maggie it's when she thinks she's going to get a treat. I'm posting a link to the video that I made ... I'm asking her if she wants a baby carrot. I've stopped asking her if she wants a treat now, and I just give it to her instead. However, I can still be in the kitchen making dinner and look round to find Maggie sat behind me shaking her head like this because she's decided that she's gonna get something!!!

    YouTube - Maggie

    Let me know if this is what Rosie was doing .. if it was then I'd put my money on it being a head tremor and unfortunately there's nothing you can do about them!!
    YES!!! That is EXACTLY what Rosie is doing! Oh my gosh I hate that Maggie has it too, but I feel MUCH better seeing her doing the same thing and knowing that she is okay! I am definately looking into a different vet now. This is unacceptable. They never once mentioned this condition, and they saw her doing it!! Part of me is happy that she doesn't have seizures, but the other part of me is angry that the vet wanted to dope her up on meds! After reading everyones posts on here and googling this condition I feel like the vet should have some knowledge about this.
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    I have not personally experienced this but do know of other EB owners who have.. I wish you the best of luck and sending you lots of love and good thoughts!!

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    @Rosiesmom
    Suggestion. Use your video camera and take video of both kazzy220 video about head tremors and my video with seizures. If they do not have access to the internet...this might be a learning tool for them. Or, if they do..create a youtube account and save both our videos to yours and make them watch them during your visit. Nothing could hurt from them learning. If they are not experienced...they were following protocol. That is exactly what they did for Vegas. They did blood work to check his blood sugar (I'm diabetic and I've had seizures from low blood sugar) They tested white cell count and a bunch of other stuff. They loaded him up on Valium (which worked because he was having seizures) and they monitored him for the rest of the night. Vegas was 10 months old.

    You might want to find a doctor who has dealt with bulldogs. If you find a specialist...they are sure to be familiar with the head tremors. good luck and keep us posted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyDuke View Post
    I have not personally experienced this but do know of other EB owners who have.. I wish you the best of luck and sending you lots of love and good thoughts!!
    Thankyou so much!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by traciehorne View Post
    We too have experienced Head Tremors.. and it is frightening! We too thought it was seizures, but after testing, and many opinions - we learned that it was indeed head tremors.
    We were also told that it could be low blood sugar or a calcium deficiency. We tried to give Otis some sugar when the tremors would start.. That didn't work... Then we started him on Tums.. for the calcium, and that didn't work. We now give him 1/4 cup of cottage cheese every morning with his breakfast, and that seems to be doing the trick. He was having tremors that would last for 8-17 minutes, and he was fully aware of what was going on.. and would come out of it and continue playing. Now if he has a tremor (which is RARE), it lasts less than a minute or two at the most. And it mostly happens when he lays on his right side. I'm also very very diligent about keeping his ears clean too. Not sure if wax build up in the ear causes pressure or not, but I would rather be safe and just keep them clean.
    I hope it helps to know that you're not alone... I was terrified when they started, so I know just how scared you are right now... Keep us posted!!
    Thankyou for the wonderful advice. I'm going to get her cottage cheese on my way home today. If Otis has another tremor what do you do? I feel so helpless just sitting there petting her and talking to her. I just wish I could make it all better. I was just as scared going through this as I was when my son had his first asthma attack. Scared the out of me!!
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    Rosie update-just called Rosie's babsitter (my mother-in-law) and she hasn't had any episodes today. She was sitting in the backyard watching the ducks swim. She said she seemed very happy, but still hasn't slept. Poor thing tossed and turned all night so I know she must be pooped.
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