Help Needed! Tearing/tear stains

[Cbrugs]

I know there has been a lot of discussion on this but I'm in need of advice. Louie tears a lot and his eye folds are a little discolored. I'm constantly wiping them to try to dry them and I wipe them with witch hazel. He gets spring water and uses a stainless steel bowl. He's eating Fromm and not always grain free because I have to watch the protein amount he gets. Once he's neutered, he will get raw.

I'm thinking of switching him to Acana Singles which is grain free and the protein amount is fine. Will going grain free help?

I've also read that collyrium eye wash is good for tear stains. Anyone have experience using it?

I know there are other white faces dogs on here and their faces look great. What can I do? Here's a picture of what it looks like. Maybe I'm thinking it looks worse than it is??

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[Cbrugs]

Pictures of his face normal without me pulling the fold open, it doesn't look so bad this way:

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[helsonwheels]

It's not so bad. Did a lot of research on tear stains. A lot of magic potions out there that i would say, dont bother buying them. Duke 2 weeks ago wasn't really white anymore in them folds. Was reallt dark. Now he's much better as hes on Acana, some raw, some home cooking, his multi vitamin and some oils. Yes you need to keep it dry. As soon as duke is finish this bag, im adding more HC n organs and less Acana.

 

[Cbrugs]

It's not so bad. Did a lot of research on tear stains. A lot of magic potions out there that i would say, dont bother buying them. Duke 2 weeks ago wasn't really white anymore in them folds. Was reallt dark. Now he's much better as hes on Acana, some raw, some home cooking, his multi vitamin and some oils. Yes you need to keep it dry. As soon as duke is finish this bag, im adding more HC n organs and less Acana.

I am going to get some Acana this weekend and transition him over. After that, I might get either The Honest Kitchen or Grandma Lucy's and give that to him for dinner. Eventually he will go to raw like Jax but it will be awhile.

I will continue to wipe his face and who knows, maybe the switch in foods will help with the tearing as well.

 

[Hankster]

I am going to get some Acana this weekend and transition him over. After that, I might get either The Honest Kitchen or Grandm'a Lucy's and give that to him for dinner. Eventually he will go to raw like Jax but it will be awhile.

I will continue to wipe his face and who knows, maybe the switch in foods will help with the tearing as well.

whats real good with the HK (or similar) is that you add just the amount of protein 'you' want to add... (well, that's if you get the kindly or preference) That way, you can monitor that better till neutered... (hum,,, just thinking, it was the protein you needed to watch right? )

 

[Cbrugs]

whats real good with the HK (or similar) is that you add just the amount of protein 'you' want to add... (well, that's if you get the kindly or preference) That way, you can monitor that better till neutered... (hum,,, just thinking, it was the protein you needed to watch right? )

I was not planning on getting the Kindly or Preference and yes, need to watch protein until he gets neutered. I think I will go with the HK over GL because they have more variety that he can have. It would be kind of pricey of just doing HK right now because he is still getting 3 meals a day. So I am going to get one of the Acana Singles and a box of HK and then split his meals between the two. I have also been getting the Stella & Chewy's meal mixer and giving him a bit of that with his breakfast.

I sure hope the switch helps with his tearing. His eye folds are always so WET.

 

[1Chumly]

Just a thought.... Are you sure his eyelashes aren't bothering his eyes?

 

[Cbrugs]

Just a thought.... Are you sure his eyelashes aren't bothering his eyes?

How would I know? Would I see eyelashes poking him in the eyes?

 

[1Chumly]

The vet would be your best bet. It may be worth checking out as you say he tears up a lot. It's something to rule out at least.

 

[helsonwheels]

The problem why dogs have tear stains, is the breeder. Yes you will get a bit of stains as it's a white face but not that much. The ones the has really bad stains is not JUST a food issue it's also a breeder issue. It's too much acidity! Breeders that breeds "any" dogs like yorkies, bullies, westies, poodles should wait after 18months to breed. Its between 8-18months old is when your dog will show if it has too much acidity issues and that will produce in that future litter. After 18 months old you should know if to breed or not to avoid this issue. My 2 cents is you dont breed any dog with acidity issues and you dont care cause you want to make money. To avoid all this is raw but it's not everyone's budget.

 

[Cbrugs]

The problem why dogs have tear stains, is the breeder. Yes you will get a bit of stains as it's a white face but not that much. The ones the has really bad stains is not JUST a food issue it's also a breeder issue. It's too much acidity! Breeders that breeds "any" dogs like yorkies, bullies, westies, poodles should wait after 18months to breed. Its between 8-18months old is when your dog will show if it has too much acidity issues and that will produce in that future litter. After 18 months old you should know if to breed or not to avoid this issue. My 2 cents is you dont breed any dog with acidity issues and you dont care cause you want to make money. To avoid all this is raw but it's not everyone's budget.

Hmmmm...I visited with the breeders and their dogs multiple times and I didn't notice any significant tear stains on any of them. Maybe with Louie it does have to do with his eyelashes. I do remember the first vet visit and the vet saying to keep an eye out. I think I will try the food change, just in case it is the grains or something causing the tearing and if he still tears a lot, bring him in so the vet can check his eyes. As you can see by the pictures, the staining isn't bad. The folds just always seem to be wet and I am constantly wiping them to try and dry.

Jax started getting tear stains when he was younger, changed to filtered water and cleared up. Plus he is on raw.

 

[Hankster]

and along the lines of the eyelashes..... Hank had some that the vet actually plucked the first time but said most likely, it would be good to do that surgery if/when he did his palate/nares.. so, that's what was done and it helped considerably... He still gets moisture but using the e-cloth's on them, or the Norwex has so far !!! kept his folds white.. (sometimes still do destine though when in the grassier areas as his eyes water more in different situations)

 

[Cbrugs]

and along the lines of the eyelashes..... Hank had some that the vet actually plucked the first time but said most likely, it would be good to do that surgery if/when he did his palate/nares.. so, that's what was done and it helped considerably... He still gets moisture but using the e-cloth's on them, or the Norwex has so far !!! kept his folds white.. (sometimes still do destine though when in the grassier areas as his eyes water more in different situations)

The eyelashes are definitely a possibility as to what is causing the tearing. I do remember at the first vet visit the vet saying to watch for excessive tearing. I am going to get the new food either Thursday or Friday but maybe I will make a vet appointment anyways for a week or so out and then if for some reason there is a change, I can just cancel it. If it is the eyelashes, maybe there will be some that can be plucked. And if he needs surgery, hopefully it could wait until he is 1 and then get it at the same time as when he gets neutered.

I am going to look into getting an e cloth. It would be nice to have something specific for wiping his folds rather than a cotton pad or tissue every time.

This is all new to me since Jax doesn't have the deep eye folds that a EB has.

 

[helsonwheels]

Hmmmm...I visited with the breeders and their dogs multiple times and I didn't notice any significant tear stains on any of them. Maybe with Louie it does have to do with his eyelashes. I do remember the first vet visit and the vet saying to keep an eye out. I think I will try the food change, just in case it is the grains or something causing the tearing and if he still tears a lot, bring him in so the vet can check his eyes. As you can see by the pictures, the staining isn't bad. The folds just always seem to be wet and I am constantly wiping them to try and dry.

Jax started getting tear stains when he was younger, changed to filtered water and cleared up. Plus he is on raw.

Like I said it can be the food and to be certain go raw. Also raw has tons of moisture. I know a few breeders of poodles, yorkies n westies that their pups are so bad in stains as they get older it's not even funny. I mentioned breeders as it's a fact a lot of them will not wait till their dogs are over the period acidity time of any dogs which is usually 18months old before breeding. Im not saying they are all like that. You get the knowledgeable ones and the money maker ones and of course the clueless ones. It is what it is. You just need to change their diets.

 

[Hankster]

Like I said it can be the food and to be certain go raw. Also raw has tons of moisture. I know a few breeders of poodles, yorkies n westies that their pups are so bad in stains as they get older it's not even funny. I mentioned breeders as it's a fact a lot of them will not wait till their dogs are over the period acidity time of any dogs which is usually 18months old before breeding. Im not saying they are all like that. You get the knowledgeable ones and the money maker ones and of course the clueless ones. It is what it is. You just need to change their diets.

soooooooooooo, is this when the acv comes in handy? to alkaline them?? I mean, as in now, while they're in our care..