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    Another thing to note is Rosie has always had a low grade heart murmur, 1/2. We had an echocardiogram done to make sure it was safe for her to go under anesthesia- results showed that the heart murmur shouldn't affect her quality and length of life. But I wonder if the throwing up and loss of oxygen puts stress on her heart making her collapse.

    And yep- she is a raw food only baby- which possibly the high protein intake could aggravate a reflux issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle Marie Sri View Post
    Another thing to note is Rosie has always had a low grade heart murmur, 1/2. We had an echocardiogram done to make sure it was safe for her to go under anesthesia- results showed that the heart murmur shouldn't affect her quality and length of life. But I wonder if the throwing up and loss of oxygen puts stress on her heart making her collapse.

    And yep- she is a raw food only baby- which possibly the high protein intake could aggravate a reflux issue.
    I tagged a member that also feeds all raw - she may have an idea of a bed time snack that is not grain
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    Wow, I am so sorry to see your little girl going through this, but our 12 year old bully (Memphis) started doing the same exact thing about a year ago. At first we thought he was seizing and choking because of the thick ball of saliva that he would spit up, along with some bile, and even the urinating occasionally, then he would briefly pass out and be sluggish the rest of the day. We have been in and out of the vet, had ultrasounds, bloodwork and x-rays, and they still can't figure it out. We discovered Memphis has an enlarged esophagus (mega esophagus) which we weren't aware of until the x-rays. The strange thing is, he will be 12 in July and never had problems until recently. He takes 10 mg. of Pepcid every morning to help reduce the acid, but I'm not sure if that's helping much. He eats Royal Canin HP (canned and dry) and Purina Gentle Snackers for treats. Does Rosie have a constant gag/cough like she has something caught in her throat? The only med that seems to help Memphis is Cerenia, but he can only take that once a week (it makes him very sluggish, but definitely reduces the gagging). I would appreciate you posting a follow up to what your vet says. Maybe yours can figure something out that ours has overlooked. Hoping Rosie feels better soon!

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    Thanks for sharing Memphis' story! The mega esophagus didn't show in Her xray- but they said it can be hard to catch- as it can come and go. Arg right? I think we are going to get the bile acid test done next. Has Memphis had that test done?

    The mega esophagus just seems like it's what it could be- it only happens when she is sleeping- and if her esophagus relaxes when she sleeps- and stuff comes up- then she starts to choke/gag on it- which wakes her up- and wakes us up and then she try's to throw up, which is too hard on her which makes her collapse. Again, ugh and arg.

    We will def keep you posted on what we find out- please do the same! It is crazy and lucky I guess that Memphis' issues didn't present until 12 years of age. And this has been happening to Rosie since she was about 4 months old.

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    We have never even heard of the bile acid test, so no, he has not yet had that done (that I'm aware of anyway). I will definitely bring that to our vet's attention though, so thanks for the tip! I would imagine it has something to do with the mega esophagus, too. Memphis's episodes are only in the morning, but he gags/coughs every day. Also, the ball of saliva that comes up is extremely thick, pasty like, and seems like it would be hard to spit up and out. I freak out every time it happens because I think he's choking and losing oxygen. Does Rosie have the constant gagging/coughing? It's the same sound they make when they are choking on their saliva during an episode, so we are always afraid it is going to happen when we hear him gagging. Memphis was also diagnosed with IBD around the same time, so we switched his food from Iams to (after going through a couple of different brands) Royal Canin HP which is grain free and low protein. It definitely helped his IBD but not the acid reflux. I'm so glad I found your post!

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    I am leaning toward the acid reflux, and she is trying to cough it up, plus do you grind the bone really fine? If not that could be scratching or getting caught in her throut causing this too. I would definitely try the antacids to see if that helps.
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    I would definitely give her 1 Prilosec a day. Many dogs are on it for life and it doesn't hurt them.
    Also, you're feeding raw at 4pm and 8am, correct? RAW digest much faster than kibble, and there's a 16 hour window between meals. Chances are good she's building up stomach acid and that's what we're seeing at the start of the video. It could be she's trying to throw it up (reflux) and passes out from the strain.

    She definitely needs to eat something at around 10-11PM. I would try the Prilosec and late night meal for a few weeks, see how it goes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nycbullymama View Post
    I would definitely give her 1 Prilosec a day. Many dogs are on it for life and it doesn't hurt them.
    Also, you're feeding raw at 4pm and 8am, correct? RAW digest much faster than kibble, and there's a 16 hour window between meals. Chances are good she's building up stomach acid and that's what we're seeing at the start of the video. It could be she's trying to throw it up (reflux) and passes out from the strain.

    She definitely needs to eat something at around 10-11PM. I would try the Prilosec and late night meal for a few weeks, see how it goes.
    It's new that we are feeding her earlier- and only 2 meals a day. She was pooping so much and getting us up in the middle of the night to poop so we just started feeding her earlier, by 4-5, so she wouldn't have to get up.

    We are going to try a small meal or snack before bed- see if that helps. We will do some more research on the Prilosec.

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    I'm so sorry that your sweet girl is going through this. We feed raw as well, and noticed late night vomiting of bile. We feed her dinner now a bit later in the day, around 6pm instead of 4pm. We also switched to a raw food (commercially available) that is in frozen kibble form so that Lola has to take her time to eat. She was regurgitating (very different from vomiting bile) often, which I thought might have been due to her swallowing her soft raw patties so quickly. Switching to the raw kibble frozen form helped, as did feeding her with an elevated bowl (both actually helped with what I had thought was megaesophagus from palate surgery). I don't have experience with seizures, but Lola would lick her chops and bite the air when she was on a food that gave her allergic reactions and her body would itch a lot. I hope you do find some answers soon.

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    We have never even heard of the bile acid test, so no, he has not yet had that done (that I'm aware of anyway). I will definitely bring that to our vet's attention though, so thanks for the tip! I would imagine it has something to do with the mega esophagus, too. Memphis's episodes are only in the morning, but he gags/coughs every day. Also, the ball of saliva that comes up is extremely thick, pasty like, and seems like it would be hard to spit up and out. I freak out every time it happens because I think he's choking and losing oxygen. Does Rosie have the constant gagging/coughing? It's the same sound they make when they are choking on their saliva during an episode, so we are always afraid it is going to happen when we hear him gagging. Memphis was also diagnosed with IBD around the same time, so we switched his food from Iams to (after going through a couple of different brands) Royal Canin HP which is grain free and low protein. It definitely helped his IBD but not the acid reflux. I'm so glad I found your post!
    Rosie doesn't have any day time gagging or coughing. We will for sure keep you posted!

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    I'm so sorry your going through this, it must be really frightening and also frustrading not to know what is wrong. I have no experience in this but I feed raw and we use little balls of tripe as snacks and means of transport for medicine. It hasn't got too much protein, but a lot of digestive enzymes and most of all they love it. I don't as much, since it stinks, but I can take a little stink for my stinkers...

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    My hubby Ray just told me last night that he met you guys in Seattle over the weekend… I'm Tracey I'm SO glad that he told you about EBN, and I sincerely hope that we can help you out w/your sweet girl. We are a BIG family on here, and we are so excited to have you & Rosie on board!!!

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