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    Default Re: Is this the precursor to bloat or something else? Any ideas?

    Not sure what is going on with Charley. In the last two weeks he has had three excessive drooling spells. He felt fine 2 days ago and now has been lethargic for the last 24 hours. He started drooling excessively and was uncomfortable last night. I gave him rescue remedy and pepto bismol. He calmed down and slept well. This morning he seemed fine. Around 1 this afternoon, he started drooling again. I took him to the vet. They are concerned it is either the rich Orijen food I started him on last month, or the fish oil caps they put him on for ear yeast infection. They did want to put him on Hill prescription bland food, but i told them I'd rather cook for him. They wanted me to feed him either chicken and rice or hamburger and rice for a week then wean him back onto acana food (he had done well with that). If that works try the fish oil again.

    Any idea how much I should feed? That wasn't included in their instructions. He is 53 pounds, but the vet wants him at 50.

    Any other thoughts on the excessive drooling, discomfort and lethargy?

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    Default Re: Is this the precursor to bloat or something else? Any ideas?

    Hi Sharon, I moved this to a new topic so it doesn't get missed.

    With the symptoms, it kinda sounds like either obstruction or bad tummy ache. I would take it easy on bland to make sure the tummy settles. Maybe only a half a cup per feeding for the first day, then up it to a full serving the next day.


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    Default Re: Is this the precursor to bloat or something else? Any ideas?

    Lisa has given you excellent advice, I was going to suggest an obstruction as well. Could he have swallowed something you don't know about. Keep an eye on him, and if he doesn't get better in a day or two, I would have the vet check him for an obstruction, with either a X-ray, or a barium X-ray and a examination of his belly. Signs of obstruction are drooling, vomiting, and diarrhea. Please keep us posted.
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    You might want a 2nd opinion, I wouldn't think 'too rich food' wouldn't cause drooling
    but vomiting and/or diarrhea. Like Lisa & Monica suggested, it sounds like obstruction.
    If a soft object swallowed (like a sock) it won't show on regular x-rays. Keeping y'all
    in prayers, GOD bless.


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    Thanks for the ideas. I was surprised they didn't X-ray too, especially since vet said it is tough to see a bullie's tummy because of the large ribcage covering it. No vomiting, no diarrhea, no fever.... lethargy, discomfort and periodic drooling. I didn't see this till after feeding this am, so he had 1/2 cup chicken and 1/2 cup rice. He chewed his bone for awhile and is now out for a short walk.

    Have any of you used Pepcid and/or sucralfate for tummy aches?

    Thanks for the well wishes!


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    [QUOTE=Sharon Mitchel;467009]Thanks for the ideas. I was surprised they didn't X-ray too, especially since vet said it is tough to see a bullie's tummy because of the large ribcage covering it. No vomiting, no diarrhea, no fever.... lethargy, discomfort and periodic drooling. I didn't see this till after feeding this am, so he had 1/2 cup chicken and 1/2 cup rice. He chewed his bone for awhile and is now out for a short walk. Have any of you used Pepcid and/or sucralfate for tummy aches? Thanks for the well wishes!


    Because of my concern, I talked to a friend w/Vet experience about Charley's symptom
    of just drooling. She agreed, take to another Vet or go back and ask for more though exam
    including a full mouth exam (may have to slightly sedate him) as he may have something caught
    in his teeth, gums, throat, etc. They had a dog doing this and it had a sewing needle stuck in
    the roof of it's mouth! She too, said drooling has NOTHING to do with rich food...I'd hold off
    on medicine for tummy ache as it might do more harm than good until you know what the issue
    is. Good luck & let us know. GOD bless.


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    Have any of you used Pepcid and/or sucralfate for tummy aches? Thanks for the well wishes!
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    First off, thank you to all who have replied! Your thoughts and ideas were so comforting. After living with bullies for 29 years, this odd illness was a first for us!

    Btw, the vet was able to do a pretty good mouth check yesterday, so I was fairly comfortable with that. I was surprised she hadn't done a stomach X-ray, especially since she mentioned how difficult it is to feel a bullie tummy. He's been healthy, so we've only seen this vet once or twice a year.

    Charley feels great today. He even wanted to play fetch this afternoon. No drooling, no lethargy! We watched very carefully and didn't feed him for an hour afterwards. No drooling tonight! Woohoo!

    i took that orijen food back and exchanged it for acana lamb and apple. I'll slowly wean him back onto the avana starting Sunday evening if all is well!

    Do any of you feed your bullies fish oil? If so liquid, caplets or...? I almost wonder if that was really the culprit. The vet wanted him off orijen though, so I'll start with that, then reintroduce the fish oil. Now to solve the yeast issue!

    thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharon Mitchel View Post
    First off, thank you to all who have replied! Your thoughts and ideas were so comforting. After living with bullies for 29 years, this odd illness was a first for us!

    Btw, the vet was able to do a pretty good mouth check yesterday, so I was fairly comfortable with that. I was surprised she hadn't done a stomach X-ray, especially since she mentioned how difficult it is to feel a bullie tummy. He's been healthy, so we've only seen this vet once or twice a year.

    Charley feels great today. He even wanted to play fetch this afternoon. No drooling, no lethargy! We watched very carefully and didn't feed him for an hour afterwards. No drooling tonight! Woohoo!

    i took that orijen food back and exchanged it for acana lamb and apple. I'll slowly wean him back onto the avana starting Sunday evening if all is well!

    Do any of you feed your bullies fish oil? If so liquid, caplets or...? I almost wonder if that was really the culprit. The vet wanted him off orijen though, so I'll start with that, then reintroduce the fish oil. Now to solve the yeast issue!

    thanks again!
    So glad all is well!! I've used grizzly salmon oil, grizzly wild pallock oil and fish oil caplets, and never had any problems. Perhaps after all is settled in again you can try them.


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    Do any of you feed your bullies fish oil? If so liquid, caplets or...? I almost wonder if that was really the culprit. The vet wanted him off orijen though, so I'll start with that, then reintroduce the fish oil. Now to solve the yeast issue!


    It could be the problem (fish oil) as some bullies are allergic to it in any form just as they
    are to salmon and/or other fish. Also, there is the issue now of high mercury levels in fish
    oils,I've given them up. There are other great & safer sources of fats such as coconut oil,
    avocado oil, etc I feed these to Cami, my bully, as well. I would take him off fish oil too and
    see how he does, give about a month for all to clear from system. Let us know! GOD bless


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    I would take Charlie to the Vet for X-Rays, or an MRI, just to be sure all is ok with Charlie. Please let us know how he is doing. Kisses to Charlie. Susan Moore

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    Took him off the fish oil too at same time. Per the vet, we can reintroduce fish oil once we know he can handle regular food again. The fish oil I was giving him was the capsules i take which are distilled and "mercury free". I opened a capsule and it sure doesn't smell like a nice fresh piece of salmon. Maybe that's normal. What is the value of coconut oil? It doesn't have omega 3's does it?

    Why would bullies be naturally sensitive to fish? You know I think his blue buffalo food that had given him loose bowels was fish! . The orijen had some fish ingredients too. We may be on to something!

    Thanks for all your great ideas and well wishes!


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