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    I found this and thought it's an interesting article regarding yeast and grain free diets. It's from the Animal Dermatology Clinic that treated our Frenchy Mickey.

    There is an urban myth running rampant in the pet
    world regarding pet food and grain. Many on-line
    sources by self appointed experts advise people to
    have their pets with skin problems begin a “grain-free”
    diet as a cure for what ails them and that feeding foods
    high in carbohydrates will cause yeast on the skin.
    Guess what? Those cases often end up at Animal
    Dermatology Clinic, in order to determine the real
    triggers for the pets’ skin or allergy problems.
    Food has become entrenched among laypeople as
    a very common cause of skin disease and while it can
    be an allergic trigger it is a far less common trigger
    than generally considered by those same individuals.
    Celiac disease has become a well-known ailment in
    people, where sufferers cannot eat grain. And it is
    true that a pet can be allergic to grain, but it is usually
    the protein that is the culprit. Still, a true food allergic
    pet is not as common as is believed.
    One of the key fallacies of these self-appointed
    experts is the advocating of grain restriction of a pet
    with yeast.
    The most common yeast on the skin of dogs and
    cats is Malassezia pachydermatis and there are a
    number of reasons for a pet to develop overgrowth
    and in almost all cases it is usually a SECONDARY
    symptom. A very common underlying primary cause
    are allergies which lead to defects and changes in the
    skin that allow for favorable microclimates for the
    yeasts to grow and create complicating factors for a
    patient.

    The rumor that pets ingesting grain or any
    carbohydrate will lead to yeast growth on the skin of the
    pet is not true. There is no scientific evidence that
    exists to support this as fact but it is commonly
    proposed by some pet food and supplement sellers in
    their marketing efforts.

    Fact: A nutritious balanced diet is required for a
    pet. No one disagrees with this statement, except the
    anti-grain groups which strongly believe that grain
    negatively impacts a pet’s immune system, thereby
    causing yeast growth.
    Excluding the rare dog with a true allergy, there is no
    evidence to support claims that grains cause health
    problems. (Central Veterinary Conference, 2011)


    Myth: Dogs are carnivorous, therefore their
    digestive systems are not suited to grain.
    It is frequently claimed, based primarily on the
    fallacious logic of “evolutionary nutrition,” that dogs are
    incapable of digesting grains or that these make poor
    nutrient sources in dog foods. Extensive evidence from
    laboratory research and feeding trials illustrates this is
    false and that cooked grains are excellent energy
    sources and can also provide protein and other
    important nutrients to dogs.


    Fact: When baking bread or making beer,
    the driving ingredient for yeast growth is sugar.
    Many food items containing yeast require the
    trigger of sugar to “grow” that yeast. And through
    the popularity of human dieting trends, most people
    know that the consumption of grains and
    carbohydrates are energy foods that metabolize
    into sugar in the body.
    This is not the same physiological process that
    feeds Malassezia in an affected pet. Consumption
    of grains and carbohydrates do not encourage
    yeast growth.
    A person with athlete’s foot (a fungal infection
    on the foot and remember, yeasts are a form of
    fungus) does not exacerbate the condition by
    eating a slice of toasted bread!
    If your pet has an odorous smell and greasy
    coat, it may be evidence of a yeast infection. Ask
    your veterinarian for guidance. Remember, yeast
    is a secondary condition and identifying the
    underlying cause is the goal.

    Source: Rusty Muse, DVM, ACVD, Don Fruta,
    Marketing Director, Animal Dermatology Clinic

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    great info, but not as RARE as he thinks it is.... I've seen too many pups yeast clear up once the grains were out of the diet. so, he may be right in it not always being the grain, but it also is true that it CAN be the grain
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    i have been doing the yeast thing in sarah for a very long time and i can tell you i dont not think its a grain thing or sugar thing necessarily. i think its a what is your pet allergic to thing. these grain free foods once used potatoes which really are not much better than white rice. they also use tapioca which is not much better either far as carbs go. sarah is in fact on grains at this moment as she is allergic to peas and potatoes and i suspect tapioca to. she also has a white rice allergy. her yeast is actually getting better on certain grains than anything else ive used. i have had sarah on freeze dried raw food which has no carbs and her yeast on her feet never went away. so is it the carb or is it what your pet is allergic to. makes ya wonder really.

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    I also have found that removing grains or potatoes don't necessarily cure a yeast problem. But so many dogs are in fact allergic to some sort of gluten and there is just too many success stories with premium quality foods. I don't think it's always the grain but certainly the quality of food they are given, as well as potential allergies to what's in it. Same as chicken, many dogs do great on it ! But if you are having allergy problems, removing it is a good idea because it is a popular culprit for allergies.

    Oh that was written by a vet so I'm not going to even listen to it. They are probably just mad that many of their clients don't want to buy their food.




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    I agree with the article in principle. I don't think that grains necessarily are the culprit as are the type of grains. I don't feed my dogs any food that contains wheat or corn but other grains may or may not be ok it just depends on how, as an individual animal they adjust to it, much like humans. One man's meat is another man's poison. Also the notion that dogs are carnivorous and should only have animal protein I believe is also a myth. Yes dogs are descendants of wolves is correct but they are not wolves. Dogs have evolved with homo sapiens for over 30,000 years and have evolved / adapted to the diet in whole as have humans. Humans of course are omnivores having evolved as such and so have dogs. A good quality dog food is essential but to rule out all grains is misleading in my opinion. Also the notion of keeping a dog on one food source such as the same kibble for years I believe is detrimental to the animal. I believe they should be feed a variety of food including alternating and or adding the type of kibble they eat. I think feeding a dog one type of food for a long period of time is detrimental to their digestive system much like it would be for humans. Of course if a dog has been fed only one source of food, one variety of kibble for a long period they will have difficulty if the food is changed, no different than a human or any animal for that matter. But if they have variety then their digestive system adjusts to it and is strengthened. It's a logical supposition in my opinion and I think the facts bear it out
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    Unfortunately vets are also very seldom experts of nutrition.....I feed raw and my boys don't eat any grain. They also don't have any allergies, yeast or problems with their skin. I believe dogs don't need that much carbs, their primary source of energy is fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertskybulldogs View Post
    Oh that was written by a vet so I'm not going to even listen to it. They are probably just mad that many of their clients don't want to buy their food.
    That's exactly what I thought after I posted this.

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    I wouldn't discount someones nutritional notions just because they were a Veterinarian anymore than I would assume they are a nutritional expert because they are not a Vet. Veterinarian school may or may not include alot of wisdom or knowledge concerning nutrition but that doesn't preclude some of them from doing the research and having that knowledge on their own. MD's use to be on a whole not very exceptional when it came to nutrition but quite a few more recently have become more astute about nutrition and some of them are on the cutting edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural mystic View Post
    I wouldn't discount someones nutritional notions just because they were a Veterinarian anymore than I would assume they are a nutritional expert because they are not a Vet. Veterinarian school may or may not include alot of wisdom or knowledge concerning nutrition but that doesn't preclude some of them from doing the research and having that knowledge on their own. MD's use to be on a whole not very exceptional when it came to nutrition but quite a few more recently have become more astute about nutrition and some of them are on the cutting edge.
    Well put. A lot of vets are out to sell the food because they are getting kick backs from the Dog food companies. I put this up because I think it's interesting how blatantly outright this guy was about how yeast isn't affected by the grain free diet when most of us have always been told and have read how dogs should be on a grain free diet. That's why I think this site is so special because we have people like @cowsmom & @Twice & @Sherry that really do the in-depth research of these little (or big) ones that live with us and the food they eat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdolphin27 View Post
    Well put. A lot of vets are out to sell the food because they are getting kick backs from the Dog food companies. I put this up because I think it's interesting how blatantly outright this guy was about how yeast isn't affected by the grain free diet when most of us have always been told and have read how dogs should be on a grain free diet. That's why I think this site is so special because we have people like @cowsmom & @Twice & @Sherry that really do the in-depth research of these little (or big) ones that live with us and the food they eat.
    Yes, sad to say but follow the money. Of course anyone in the health profession, be it human or animal, should be and ought to be, by oath, conviction and intent about the well being of their patients. But its alas not always the case. But let's hope some are and I do believe that some are, still about the calling and not about the money.

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    While it's true not ALL vets are uneducated in nutrition, the sad fact is, most
    are not and the kickbacks are too common in what they rec'mend just like
    these new vaccines on the market that honest vets do not rec'mend but the
    dishonest & greedy vets will and do.

    Grains are not inherently bad or good and there is a need in a proper diet, the
    problems being too much grain to the percentage of healthy fats, proteins, etc.
    Moreover, grains can cause systematic inflammation which leads to all sorts of
    problems from that, some chronic. The majority of grains are now GMO's and
    are causing more problems than ever, toxic~a big reason the honey bees are
    dying off.

    Some animals may not have a problem even to the grains but the toxic additives,
    chemicals & preservatives used in the foods and yes, sometimes to the proteins.
    All humans and animals can have or develop allergies/sensitivities to anything at
    any time even after years of ingesting that same food years & years.

    I have auto immune diseases & Fibro (which some doctors still dismiss as nonsense
    much as they dismiss celiac/gluten intolerance) and have for years now...it's been
    a long journey. Much is unknown to the medical field, they have no answers or cures
    and don't know the causes and so I've had to research & try different things on my
    own. Since cutting out most grains, I've had less inflammation therefore less pain
    and some doctors pooh pooed my results (all fired now) along with the long list of
    doctors that insisted I had nothing wrong except mentally...once educated long
    enough, I insisted on a simple blood test that came back positive for auto immune
    disease (there's over 100 of them) so then it was a long process of WHICH one(s).

    I don't have much respect for most of the medical field, human or animal.


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    There are unscrupulous and greedy people in ALL professions including the medical field. But I for one have due respect for all the advances that have been made through medical science and in the medical field, human and animal. Of course people in the medical field and medical science are not infallible. And as I have said some are unscrupulous and potentially dangerous in their negligence. The first rule should be " Do thy patient no harm" But I would doubt there are any in this forum, certainly an overwhelming majority who either themselves or a loved one has been saved, cured, or life improved and/or made better through the use of the advances in medical science and practice. Including their beloved dogs. How many just in this forum have had pets saved by the skillful means of a good vet and/or a veterinarian surgeon? Yes there are many examples of malfeasance in the medical profession be it human or animal, but there have also been many more cases of wonderful care and recovery of health and well being in the right hands of the those medically skilled.

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