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    Hello!

    I took Otis to a new vet today regarding his eye/interdigital cysts/scooting issues, and I came out more confused then ever.

    She said Otis does need surgery and it'll cost just over 1000, which is WAY cheaper than the 3000 I was first quoted. BUT she said it might take a couple of surgeries for it to be perfected to due muscle movements and the way his folds lay on his face. She explained that the process is similar to a face lift? Is it normal to have multiple surgeries for entropion?

    THEN, we started talking about his interdigital cysts (which seem to be going down now that he's on ground beef and sweet potatoes). He had one surgically removed at the end of April, and they kept it in case I decided to have tests done on it. This vet suggests that I do it because it will help determine which antibiotics he can have and it'll say if it's cancerous. She also said that he's scooting for the same reasons; it's some sort of reaction to "something". She also mentioned that she feels as if he'll be prone to cysts for the rest of his life, not sure how she came to that conclusion.

    Now, I went in for a simple exam and with the hopes of getting an allergy test to see what exactly he's reacting to. They gave me an invoice totaling 950 dollars! I only paid for the exam and some wipes for his feet, saying that I need to think about the rest of the things they wanted me to do. Here's what was on the invoice, and I'm not sure if I should have them done because really I have no idea what they are and the vet wasn't there to inform me because she was asked to finish up because someone was waiting for her. The receptionist brought me the invoice and simply said "this is what you two talked about" and couldn't answer my questions.

    -Nutriscan (full scan/hemopet)
    -Culture and Sensitivity
    -Swab fee
    -Some sort of tablets....beta-thym
    -UNDA remedies


    Does anyone know what these are? Or any advice on what to do? Obviously if it'll help him I'll do it, but I'd like to understand what I'm putting him through.

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    Boy..that's a lot! I am going to tag a few people who I hope can help you..
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    Boy I wish I could help here but I am confused by the volume of information in your post. I have no experience with entropion but the article published in allergies might really help you!

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    wow. People walk in with a bulldog and vets really do see dollar signs!

    I missed the back story on this one but if I'm reading it right, this is the second vet you've taken him to? Did the first vet say the same things? I've never heard of needing multiple etropion surgeries. There is only so much tissue they can cut! If that's the case with this doctor you're better off with the other doc who says only once. This guy might ending up charging you $1000 3 or 4 times.

    I have to be honest and say that I've never heard of interdigital cysts being cancerous either. They are almost always caused by bacteria but I have heard speculation that they're allergy related.

    Your post sent me to my old friend the Merck Veterinary Manual. If the cysts persist they will do a culture to figure out which is the best antibiotic for that particular bacteria but nowhere does it say if you get one you will have them forever.

    http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/inte...unculosis.html

    What would I do? If the cysts are going down with the new food, stay on that food and see what happens. I certainly wouldn't rush to surgery just because this doctor says you should. Interdigital cysts are ugly, annoying and they can be painful but if he is getting better with what you are doing now I would wait to have his feet cut open. Soak his feet in Epsom salts, put some Preparation H on them to reduce the swelling and follow that up with a triple antibiotic cream. If they get worse or he shows any sign of pain, limping or oozing THEN get a scraping.

    He scoots so he's having a reaction to something? Really? Did the guy even check his anal glands? 98% of the time that is the reason they scoot. Other reasons are an infection, parasite or tumor. Or maybe his butt just itches! lol We had a dog in foster last year who liked to rock back and forth on his butt, dragging it across the floor. Then one day his foster mother noticed that when he did it he was actually rubbing his personal bit on the ground giving himself a happy ending sorry, that was more information than you probably needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twice View Post
    wow. People walk in with a bulldog and vets really do see dollar signs!

    I missed the back story on this one but if I'm reading it right, this is the second vet you've taken him to? Did the first vet say the same things? I've never heard of needing multiple etropion surgeries. There is only so much tissue they can cut! If that's the case with this doctor you're better off with the other doc who says only once. This guy might ending up charging you $1000 3 or 4 times.

    I have to be honest and say that I've never heard of interdigital cysts being cancerous either. They are almost always caused by bacteria but I have heard speculation that they're allergy related.

    Your post sent me to my old friend the Merck Veterinary Manual. If the cysts persist they will do a culture to figure out which is the best antibiotic for that particular bacteria but nowhere does it say if you get one you will have them forever.

    http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/inte...unculosis.html

    What would I do? If the cysts are going down with the new food, stay on that food and see what happens. I certainly wouldn't rush to surgery just because this doctor says you should. Interdigital cysts are ugly, annoying and they can be painful but if he is getting better with what you are doing now I would wait to have his feet cut open. Soak his feet in Epsom salts, put some Preparation H on them to reduce the swelling and follow that up with a triple antibiotic cream. If they get worse or he shows any sign of pain, limping or oozing THEN get a scraping.

    He scoots so he's having a reaction to something? Really? Did the guy even check his anal glands? 98% of the time that is the reason they scoot. Other reasons are an infection, parasite or tumor. Or maybe his butt just itches! lol We had a dog in foster last year who liked to rock back and forth on his butt, dragging it across the floor. Then one day his foster mother noticed that when he did it he was actually rubbing his personal bit on the ground giving himself a happy ending sorry, that was more information than you probably needed

    I knew this vet was full of sumpin! Just needed your opinion!

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    That is a lot of information and to leave confused isn't a good thing. My suggestion would be to call and ask the same questions you are asking here to the vet or go for another opinion. How old is your bully? My pug, Sophie, who is now 14, was diagnosed with entropin as a puppy. She had nares surgery and her spay at the same time and while she was under they were able to examine her eyes really well. Since she was so young, they held off doing the surgery and said there was a chance it would reverse itself, which it did. From what I recall, if she were to have had the surgery, it would have been one procedure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twice View Post
    wow. People walk in with a bulldog and vets really do see dollar signs!

    I missed the back story on this one but if I'm reading it right, this is the second vet you've taken him to? Did the first vet say the same things? I've never heard of needing multiple etropion surgeries. There is only so much tissue they can cut! If that's the case with this doctor you're better off with the other doc who says only once. This guy might ending up charging you $1000 3 or 4 times.

    I have to be honest and say that I've never heard of interdigital cysts being cancerous either. They are almost always caused by bacteria but I have heard speculation that they're allergy related.

    Your post sent me to my old friend the Merck Veterinary Manual. If the cysts persist they will do a culture to figure out which is the best antibiotic for that particular bacteria but nowhere does it say if you get one you will have them forever.

    http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/inte...unculosis.html

    What would I do? If the cysts are going down with the new food, stay on that food and see what happens. I certainly wouldn't rush to surgery just because this doctor says you should. Interdigital cysts are ugly, annoying and they can be painful but if he is getting better with what you are doing now I would wait to have his feet cut open. Soak his feet in Epsom salts, put some Preparation H on them to reduce the swelling and follow that up with a triple antibiotic cream. If they get worse or he shows any sign of pain, limping or oozing THEN get a scraping.

    He scoots so he's having a reaction to something? Really? Did the guy even check his anal glands? 98% of the time that is the reason they scoot. Other reasons are an infection, parasite or tumor. Or maybe his butt just itches! lol We had a dog in foster last year who liked to rock back and forth on his butt, dragging it across the floor. Then one day his foster mother noticed that when he did it he was actually rubbing his personal bit on the ground giving himself a happy ending sorry, that was more information than you probably needed
    Bev is exactly right! One surgery for entropion, unless your pup is young and has a lot of head growing to do, then maybe a second.

    Looks like maybe the quote they gave was for a skin allergy test. That's a full blown reactive test. A blood test should be much cheaper but less accuracy.

    Also scooting, likely Anal glands or tail pocket infection.

    Here is that article on allergies:
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheshistory View Post
    Boy I wish I could help here but I am confused by the volume of information in your post. I have no experience with entropion but the article published in allergies might really help you!

    LOL! That's exactly how I felt sitting in the room. She gave me all sorts of information in 30 minutes, and then just left!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twice View Post
    wow. People walk in with a bulldog and vets really do see dollar signs!

    I missed the back story on this one but if I'm reading it right, this is the second vet you've taken him to? Did the first vet say the same things? I've never heard of needing multiple etropion surgeries. There is only so much tissue they can cut! If that's the case with this doctor you're better off with the other doc who says only once. This guy might ending up charging you $1000 3 or 4 times.

    I have to be honest and say that I've never heard of interdigital cysts being cancerous either. They are almost always caused by bacteria but I have heard speculation that they're allergy related.

    Your post sent me to my old friend the Merck Veterinary Manual. If the cysts persist they will do a culture to figure out which is the best antibiotic for that particular bacteria but nowhere does it say if you get one you will have them forever.

    http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/inte...unculosis.html

    What would I do? If the cysts are going down with the new food, stay on that food and see what happens. I certainly wouldn't rush to surgery just because this doctor says you should. Interdigital cysts are ugly, annoying and they can be painful but if he is getting better with what you are doing now I would wait to have his feet cut open. Soak his feet in Epsom salts, put some Preparation H on them to reduce the swelling and follow that up with a triple antibiotic cream. If they get worse or he shows any sign of pain, limping or oozing THEN get a scraping.

    He scoots so he's having a reaction to something? Really? Did the guy even check his anal glands? 98% of the time that is the reason they scoot. Other reasons are an infection, parasite or tumor. Or maybe his butt just itches! lol We had a dog in foster last year who liked to rock back and forth on his butt, dragging it across the floor. Then one day his foster mother noticed that when he did it he was actually rubbing his personal bit on the ground giving himself a happy ending sorry, that was more information than you probably needed

    Hello!

    Yes, this is the second vet I've taken him to. The first vet just said that Otis needs surgery, they don't perform that surgery there, and that it should be a one time thing at the animal hospital.

    Right now, Otis is eating ground beef and boiled sweet potatoes and his paw looks SO much better. I gave him some of his kibble (Fromm pork and peas) and there's definitely something in there that's triggering his cysts. Can he eat ground beef/sweet potatoes forever? I'm afraid he's missing out on some nutrients. I soak it in epsom salts and sometimes apple cider vinegar.

    I'm pretty sure the scooting is because of an infection. I had my old vet express his glands in April, but the scooting persisted. So I went to petsmart to express them again, and she said Otis has an infection. The vet looked in his tail pocket and mumbled something whoever clipped Otis' tail did a bad job and basically said whatever is irritating his paw, is irritating his tail pocket. I'm 100% sure it's infected it smells horrible and there's a certain spot that really hurts him all of a sudden when I'm cleaning him. Why wouldn't she give me some sort of cream for him?

    ALSO, I looked at the wipes she sent me home with and they're just surface cleaner/disinfectants. For his paws...? Is that normal?


    Thanks for your help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KentuckyBully View Post
    That is a lot of information and to leave confused isn't a good thing. My suggestion would be to call and ask the same questions you are asking here to the vet or go for another opinion. How old is your bully? My pug, Sophie, who is now 14, was diagnosed with entropin as a puppy. She had nares surgery and her spay at the same time and while she was under they were able to examine her eyes really well. Since she was so young, they held off doing the surgery and said there was a chance it would reverse itself, which it did. From what I recall, if she were to have had the surgery, it would have been one procedure.
    I tried asking questions over the phone with them and they only say to make an appointment with the vet because she's better at providing me answers..lol. Otis is 4 years old, I just got him in February so I'm not even sure how long he's been battling these eye problems.

    Thanks for your help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertskybulldogs View Post
    Bev is exactly right! One surgery for entropion, unless your pup is young and has a lot of head growing to do, then maybe a second.

    Looks like maybe the quote they gave was for a skin allergy test. That's a full blown reactive test. A blood test should be much cheaper but less accuracy.

    Also scooting, likely Anal glands or tail pocket infection.

    Here is that article on allergies:
    http://www.englishbulldognews.com/co...and-Prevention





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    She mentioned they swabbed his mouth for the allergy test. I think I might just call my old vet, make an appointment for an allergy test and figure out what to feed him.

    I'm pretty sure his tail pocket is infected. I'll check that article out. THANKS!

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    Wow! I would get another opinion. Do you have a good bully vet? If you can get in with one it might help here. Mii always booty scoots. With her it is just itchiness/allergies I think. It sounds to me this vet is surgery happy and as dangerous as surgeries are for bullies that in itself would have me out the door in a heartbeat. Glad you r here to get answers!

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