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    Default Re: 12 week old bully and bathroom habits

    @Davidh took the words out of my mouth- to expect a 9 or even 12 week puppy to exhibit signs of housebreaking is far fetched in my opinion. From my experience 4 months is minimum with these guys and there are many members here that say 7-8 months. Duchess didn't finally get it until about 9 months- granted both her and duke I can count how many times they ha an accident that was #2 in the house they both were peeing machines, duke is just starting to get it and he's 5.5 months. The joys of housebreaking pups in a high rise condominium !

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    Remember that doctors tend to say everything is "probably nothing". If doctors couldn't rely on the body healing itself, they'd be out of a job for sure, due to ineptness, laziness, and wild, speculative guessing. (can you tell I've had bad experiences?) Let me run this by my buddy who is a vet and see what he says. Im betting it will be the same response In fact i have an appointment with Baxter tomorrow and I'll ask that vet for you too. So you can have 3 opinions to lean on.

    Just one story for you, so that you don't need to worry: I mentioned a shorthair exotic I got for my mom awhile back who had severe intestinal problems. She would do exactly what your dog is doing, for quite a long time. The treatment for her was anti-inflammatory anti-diarrheal drugs for a long, long time. She became malnourished and nearly died. Fortunately, we kept her going long enough that she grew out of kitten stage, and as she entered adolescence, and her body had a chance to mature, she slowly recovered - all naturally.

    Eventually she began to thrive and was all better. She just "developed" slower than most cats, and is now a happy healthy puffball. Point being - that is a "worst case scenario" baby animal story, and she still fully recovered, because she grew up. Things can be severely bad as a baby, and totally clear up as the body (and mind) develops and matures. So I wouldn't worry too much about it.

    I think his youth is on his side with this one.

    I'll post back here after Baxter's appointment tomorrow. Ill make sure to ask.

    Kevin
    Last edited by Baxter Tiberius; 08-15-2013 at 10:38 PM.

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    I would like to thank everyone here very much. I will post a memorial for petey . I wish that I had found this website while petey was still here. I have found that english bulldogs are different than other dogsand not everyone understands them including some vets. It is nice to talk with others who have these dogs. I have learned that they are more like children than dogs.

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    Hi Mark -

    Okay sorry in advance for some less than exciting feedback from the vets.
    Here is how the conversation went:

    Me: I know someone who has an English Bulldog who poops while it sleeps. Or while it's just walking around. Doesn't even squat. 10 weeks old. Anything they should check for? Or just let him outgrow it?

    Vet: He probably won't outgrow that. Its called Fecal Incontinence. This condition usually progresses as the dog grows up. It is usually caused by a nerve issue.

    Me: Sphincter Muscle contraction issues?

    Vet: Something is disrupting the nerve pathway that innervates (connects the nerves to) the sphincter muscle.

    Me: Any chance its a spinal / structural thing that's physically blocking the nerve, fixable by surgery?

    Vet: There is a chance of that, but surgery may not fix it at this point. The longer it goes on, the less chance of it getting better with surgery.

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    This got my mind thinking about de-nervation, which is something people with MS and ALS and other diseases deal with. It can be structural, or autoimmune in nature. At his age I would assume its structural or development related. I think he's too young for a disease process to be causing this.

    Search Google for Neurological Veterinary Specialists in [your city name].

    You might want to get pet insurance now before any diagnosis and get that put in place just in case. I use GoPetPlan.com They have a 15 day waiting period I believe.

    You could try increasing healthy fats in the dogs diet (olive oil, fish oil) as this will help any brain / neurological / central nervous system development. The neurologist can do an EMG and a nerve conduction test to confirm de-nervation is the cause. Your standard vet may know nothing about this, so I would find a neuro vet, call the office, ask if they deal with "Fecal Incontenence due to nerve problems". They should be able to give you a straight yes or no on that.

    Another technique to stimulate innervation (the connection of nerves and nerve "sprouting" - google it) is exercise. If you're really dedicated, you might try getting him to run a lot. Get the muscles developing and growing. Its a long shot but nothing innervates like exercise does. The vet should have some more scientific responses once you toss the proper title for the condition at him.

    Kevin
    Last edited by Baxter Tiberius; 08-16-2013 at 04:32 PM. Reason: Clarifications

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    Update -

    I should have googled this before I posted. Looks like its very treatable, and there are many possible causes.

    Google Fecal Incontinence in Dogs.

    Check this out:
    http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/...l_incontinence
    And the treatment page:
    http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/...2#.Ug6MpT-E7eI

    Maybe a neurologist isnt necessary just yet. Primary vet should have some techniques to try.

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    Thanks a lot I am going to get on this now

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