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    Update: Apparently this is extremely normal. That makes me feel a lot better
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    Ah puppies...every time it crosses my mind to get another one right away, I read threads like this.

    Disclaimer: I was the proud owner of two, incredibly easy to train bulldogs who had, probably combined 10 accidents in the house. And then I got Truman.

    Truman sounds like a lot like Baxter, including in the rolling in his own ***** part.

    I agree with what the others have said - no more potty side of the pet apartment. It might work for some dogs, it's not working for Baxter. And honestly, this isn't a breed that is eager to please or terribly bothered by dirt and muck so I think many of the training techniques and ideas for other dogs just don't apply.

    A few suggestions: make the sleep side of Baxter's crate an absolute haven for him, and the way to a bulldog's heart, is through the belly. Feed him in his crate. Give him treats in his crate. Give him affection in his crate. But when it's time for bed - no potty area, no pads, no towels - just him. Trust me, he'll be just fine and without the absorbent materials, he'll be less inclined to pee or poo. Plus, he'll start to associate crate with eating and goodies and attention - all things he wants.

    As for the going out in the condo situation, it's hard but we know the puppy pads aren't really working so I would definitely try that patch of grass to see if you can get him to associate potty with something that at least looks like outside.

    I know how frustrating it is to try to train a dog who seems to defy every single thing pet trainers tell you dogs WILL NOT do - but with positive reinforcement, less opportunity, and consistency, Baxter will get it.

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    Oh and did you say how old Baxter is? Just curious...I might have missed it.

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    Thank you. Great post. Truman is a great name for an EB
    You're probably right that EB's don't fit the norm at all. Which is exactly why I love him.
    He's smart as all heck, that is extremely obvious already.
    He's stubborn as well. But I appreciate the training he's giving me in the patience department. I need it.
    I just want to be sure the actions I take are being understood by him.

    I did read tonight that you are *not* supposed to crate dogs that are under 9 weeks of age *because* they have to urinate 10-15 times a day.
    They are not old enough to handle it yet. Bax is only 8.3 weeks old right now.
    Really appreciate everyone's input. I guess my biggest stress was that I wasn't taking proper steps, and therefore wasn't improving his chances of success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheshistory View Post
    Oh and did you say how old Baxter is? Just curious...I might have missed it.

    I think in another post Baxter is 8 weeks old. He just got the puppy last week. I agree with @sheshistory bulldogs are very different from other breeds my other dog is a lab and he lives to please us took 2 days to potty train him vs the 4 months with Fergus.

    When we catch Fergus being bad he just briefly looks up and then continues being a naughty boy. Once they are trained they are the most funniest and lovable dogs I like to say they are clowns on 4 legs.

    Just keep on doing what you are doing eventually he will get it. When he does use the patch of grass or the potty pad make sure you celebrate with praise and treats.

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    When we catch Fergus being bad he just briefly looks up and then continues being a naughty boy.
    @Ashleym I've heard about their stubbornness. How do you win that interaction? Is there a technique to asserting dominance with them?

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    I'm sorry, I'm so very late! My method will be tough in a high rise, but the elements can certainly be adapted to a "potty area" outside.

    First of all, I have to disagree with 9 weeks is the minimum, for crate training. Jake was 8 weeks and did fine. In fact, Jake was the easiest pup I ever had. No..not 1 accident! But I later realized, that's because I was the real one being trained!

    During the day...out every hour. And after eating and playing. Try to take them to the same area. Their own scents will encourage going potty.

    Put him on a leash, in the house..at all times. Watch him like a hawk. If you see signs he is THINKING of going..a gentle but firm tug on the lead..AND your best firm NO word. Pick him up and immediately head to his "area". If and WHEN he goes..heap praise on him. Then back in and remain on the leash. If you need to do something without him attached to you..lol...take him to pee..then right in the crate. When you are ready to get him out, back out to pee and on the leash.

    No more than 2 hours in crate during the day...until he is a few months. Then 3-4. At night, he will have to go out the last thing and in 3-4 hours again. I used to let Jake out at about 11 pm..then at 2 am and at 5:30 am.

    As you can see..he will be making many trips out to pee. The trick is NOT relaxing and letting him roam. You will think like him in a few days..lol..be consistent and in a couple weeks, you will see a big improvement. God Luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxter Tiberius View Post
    @Ashleym I've heard about their stubbornness. How do you win that interaction? Is there a technique to asserting dominance with them?
    Im not the best person to answer that question. When it comes to puppies that young I tend to be a ball of mush. Luckily Fergus accepted me as alpha except when he really wants to be bad like putting something in his mouth or is chewing on something he isnt supposed to then I just say no drop it if he doesnt obey I just end up digging it out of his mouth. @Vicaroo1000 might be able to answer that question for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEISGREAT View Post
    If you see signs he is THINKING of going..a gentle but firm tug on the lead..AND your best firm NO word. Pick him up and immediately head to his "area".
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    Have done this *so*many*times* and with Baxter it does not work. He ignores "no" if he's about to leak. It just comes. Even if I catch him squatting to poop, and pick him up before anything comes out, and bring him to the potty spot, he will not go. Once he's been interrupted and carried, he arrives at the destination and won't go.

    He only goes when he is roaming around by himself. That is what I am learning. This makes it literally impossible to train him.

    I finally got the grass square in the mail. I thought all my problems would be over. He always pooped and pee'd on the grass a block away. It had been 3 full hours of no urinating or poo. So I took him to his grass. He looked at me, and slinked away, off the grass. Into his bed nearby. I walk into the hallway to get some clothes out of the dryer. I hear him exiting the playpen area through the doggy door. I walk into the room. He's 10 feet away from the grass square, on the hardwood floor, peeing a huge puddle of pee.

    I don't understand this at all. This is beyond frustrating. This is pretty much how it always goes with him.

    Earlier today the same thing. He hadn't gone in several hours. I put him on the grass. Nothing. Just looked at me and tried to sneak away. I take him out onto the balcony and walk around for a bit. Its a long balcony.
    I look back and he's pooping on the balcony tile. No less than a minute after I put him on the grass. Repeat this all ... day ... long. I simply am at a loss as to what I am supposed to do.

    Usually dogs have a pattern. That's the entire reason the "Dog Whisperer" succeeds. Psychology has patterns in humans, and in animals. There's something you can rely on, and work to manipulate so that good results come. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to this.

    He only goes when he's left alone.
    He refuses to go when he's asked to.
    He wont go where you suggest he go.
    He'll walk 10 feet away and go there instead.

    How can you train him when this is the situation?

    Kevin
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    Ohhhhh Kevin. You have a very stubborn Bully. And he obviously doesn't care for the grass ..If you don't mind, I will copy this post and share with my sister. She is a professional dog trainer and belongs to a forum of other trainers. Let's see what they might come up with. It does take her a bit to get back to me..but she will. One stubborn wee pup can't beat ALL of us.. Hang in there..
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    I just updated it and wordsmithed it a little bit. To make it more clear. Maybe you can send her the current version of the above post. @JAKEISGREAT

    Edit: I just had a thought. Is it possible he has now associated the potty pad / grass square (in same location) with punishment? That's where I bring him every time he pees. Now when I bring him there, he looks at me like he has done something wrong, and crawls into his bed nearby and sulks. Just like he did when he was actually in trouble. Maybe I have created an association with punishment and the potty pad. Maybe I need to somehow insist that he goes on the grass and then give him a treat. I don't know. Its funny they say dont associate the crate with punishment, or the carrier with punishment, yet you can associate the potty pad with punishment. Isn't it possible that would backfire?

    I have noticed when I take him there half the time he lays down. He obviously thinks I just want him to "go there". He seems to have no clue I want him to "pee there". So now he lays on the potty pad like its his designated spot. Clearly there is confusion and miscommunication going on. Thats the frustrating thing for me. I know he doesn't understand any of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxter Tiberius View Post
    I just updated it and wordsmithed it a little bit. To make it more clear. Maybe you can send her the current version of the above post. @JAKEISGREAT

    Edit: I just had a thought. Is it possible he has now associated the potty pad / grass square (in same location) with punishment? That's where I bring him every time he pees. Now when I bring him there, he looks at me like he has done something wrong, and crawls into his bed nearby and sulks. Just like he did when he was actually in trouble. Maybe I have created an association with punishment and the potty pad. Maybe I need to somehow insist that he goes on the grass and then give him a treat. I don't know. Its funny they say dont associate the crate with punishment, or the carrier with punishment, yet you can associate the potty pad with punishment. Isn't it possible that would backfire?

    I have noticed when I take him there half the time he lays down. He obviously thinks I just want him to "go there". He seems to have no clue I want him to "pee there". So now he lays on the potty pad like its his designated spot. Clearly there is confusion and miscommunication going on. Thats the frustrating thing for me. I know he doesn't understand any of this.

    I was thinking the exact same thing! The slinking is what made me think he might think he's in trouble.. Maybe he would prefer real sod grass? It would be a hassle for a month or so..but maybe you can plant a patch of real sod..he did use rel grass before..he could be holding out for what he likes.

    I will send this to my sis tonight.

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