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    Ok folks, most of you have read my intro about Kiah. Over the past few weeks she has really to started to shine. I can have her on the porch and she isn't barking or trying to charge dogs in the street nearly as much. She has learned to sit, down, come, lets go and leave it and I only have to treat her around 25-50% of the time. She was sticking to the rules/boundaries I laid out for her, listening to me, showing me how good she really can be.

    Then something happened last night...

    Usually I give her a treat and she goes right into her crate, but last night she got stubborn. I just waited it out and she eventually went in. I waited till she was calm and I closed the door. She whined for about 3-5 minutes and then she went to sleep. This morning she was perfect, we went on out normal walk, then obedience, breakfast and some playtime. I left around 11:30am to head to the store. I was back around 2:30. I opened her crate, she was fine, I called her to me, gave her a head scratch and told her to sit as I went to put on her harness. I took her outside so she could do her business. It was really hot out, so we were only out for a few. She came in, drank some water and laid down in her bed.

    I had some work to do, I'm an IT Consultant and I work remotely most of the time. I do this every day/night and I've never had any issues with her while I'm at my desk. So today I'm clicking away, not making any noise and BOOM she jumps up out of a sound sleep and charges my leg, jowels open and ready to clamp. I saw her eyes roll back into her head and I only had a split second to react. I spun my chair around, jumped up and gave her a firm no and OUT just as she was about to clamp down. Luckily I didn't get bit, this was very very close people. I walked towards her, I won't back down and she retreated right into her cage. I waited till she laid down and shut the door. I kept my cool and let her cool off. I waited it out for over an hour, I saw she was calm and I let her out. I called her to me, she walked over, put her head down and sub-missed. I gave her a treat, she laid back down in her bed and I went back to work. About 15 minutes later, BOOM same thing again. Except this time I saw her tongue was out, not the normally bully tongue hanging out, it was almost over her right eye which was twitching a bit. She was snarling/bearing her teeth hard, her eyes were rolling and I had to be extra on guard mode. I didn't let her get across the living room this time. She backed off, laid down on the carpet and continued to bare her teeth while trying to lick the right side of her face. Since the second time, she has done it 2 more times. There was no provocation, she was just laying there and snapped in an instant. I've had to put her in her crate to protect my safety and hers. I took her out after I ate dinner and she was on her best behavior for our walk. When we got back, she ate 75% of her food and laid down. I was talking to my mom on the phone about this and BOOM she did it again.

    I've been reading about this all afternoon and it seems to point to a neurological disorder. I had her at the vet on Thursday for a full physical exam and I was told she was fine. I even took her to my old vet who specializes in Bullies. I've called the behaviorist and once I told her what happened, she said she would call me back. Of course she hasn't called me back yet and is ignoring my calls/texts. I'm very close to taking her to a bully rehab. I've dealt with all types of aggression but this may be out of my scope of support.

    I need some ideas/help my bully friends. What say you?! I can't figure out what triggered this.... Please help!
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    I really wish I could help, but I'm going to have to do research on this myself, it's not normal. I hope you get help asap. Please keep me posted. I will be trying to find out what ever I can via google

    all I can think of is the dog having some sort of pain.
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    @Libra926 .... this does sound neurological and if in pain or the pup is unsure of what is happening, she is reacting to protect herself. I tagged Cheryl as her baby has epilepsy and she may have some insight
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    Holy crap. I am of absolutely NO help but gosh I sure hope you are able to figure this out and that both of you stay safe. Wow. Please please please keep us posted. We are all here to learn.

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    Reading this I was also thinking some sort of pain, because there is no obvious trigger that was what I thought of as well. Oh my I hope you get some answers.


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    The tongue hanging and eyes rolling sound neurological to me. Have a camera charged and ready to go......see if you can get it on video. This may really help a dr diagnose it. If it's a type of neurological issue.....there may not be a trigger. That's the hardest thing to fathom. Please keep us updated. My only suggestion would be video and see a specialist. Hoping for the best! Keep a close eye her the next few days and nights.

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    It was almost as is she was sleepwalking or in this case sleep fighting. Within seconds she "realized" it was me and snapped out of it. I'll keep.the phone close, this is only a matter of seconds...
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    So sorry you are going through this, I hope you can figure out what is causing the sudden aggression. It is not normal behaviour for EBs, they are gentle giants, so it has to be either neurological such as epilepsy, or maybe she is in some sort of pain, or has an illness. I hope the vet can figure it out. Good luck, sending love, hugs and prayers your way. Please keep us posted.
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    Will pray over you & your bully that cause will be found & a fix for it.

    Is not normal behavior and I'm sad for y'all...let us know what happens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullyproof View Post
    It was almost as is she was sleepwalking or in this case sleep fighting. Within seconds she "realized" it was me and snapped out of it. I'll keep.the phone close, this is only a matter of seconds...
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    so sorry you are experiencing this kind of behavior......so abnormal for our sweet bullies...hopefully you will find out what is going on very soon....v curious in knowing what is behind this .....please keep us posted

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    I talked to the vet this morning, this is definitely neurological related, mostly likely due to abuse or genetics. The night was a bit rough. She was very restless and finally fell asleep around 2am. She was up at 7, barking and whining. She usually sleeps in and I wake her. She is not listening at all, doesn't really care about treats. As much as this kills me to say, Im not sure i can give her the help she needs. Im thinking about contacting a rescue this afternoon. I feel so broken right now....
    Everyday I see an improvement. Everyday she respects and trusts me even more. I'm honored that she chose me...


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