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    Henny -- also remember, even if you think you are not doing so, Finn my be picking up on any type of stress or frustration you are going through. There are times I think I am all calm and not giving off my sorrow, depression, stress or what ever negative energy.... but Banks will pick up on it and she 'reacts' - be it barking,, pacing, her hair on end, sleeping facing the door.... it all can be a trigger from our energy. have you tried walking Finn alone and see how he behaves?
    Agreed. My dogs can read my mind I swear -- but it's all energy body language, I know. They are savants are anything. LOL

    Question - are you controlling the meetings --- or are the dogs? If the dogs are between you and the person being greeted - switch it. You are the calm and assertive pack leader, bringing your dogs to the meeting; nothing to "protect" about, right?

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    @JeannieCO, with the first lady who got nipped, i didn't realize what Finn had done until after the lady told me, like a few seconds after the actual nipping. I didn't see it happen, it was so quick. So, my reaction was just of frustration and apologies to the nice lady! With the 2nd one who Finn barked at, I didn't allow him to get too close to her and when he barked, I tugged his leash and said "NO". Not sure how effective that was either.
    @2bullyMama, my energy/vibe when I see people approaching us on the walks is one of slight anxiety. I don't really feel I have a good handle/control on the two of them when we all walk together with a lot of people out and about. I feel much more relaxed when we walk very early in the a.m. b/c I know there won't be any other people/dogs around OR if we're out in a big park that's a very roomy and open space. I can feel myself being more at-ease during those times. I do on occasion take Finn out by himself but I actually feel guilty for leaving Tate home alone b/c when Finn and I leave, Tate gets crated and he starts barking, wanting out. I know, i know, I need to be stronger w/that. I like walking Finn or Tate individually however b/c it's during those times that i feel most "in control" and not so anxious when others approach us. It's also a good time for me to review our "heel" and basic commands. Hope that all made sense!.
    @Vicaroo1000, I'm not controlling the meetings, the boys are! Both are very strong and will pull me towards the person. And tho I do shorten the leash, and I tell them to "sit", it's very chaotic and the meeting just feels "messy".

    Yikes, just writing all this down is making me realize that i need more help than i thought!
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    Henny I wish I had some help here. Where is Cesar Milan? Lol I don't know about muzzling on walks tho, I understand the idea of it but bullies need as much air as is possible on walks and I am not sure it would be safe to muzzle while walking them? Haven't shopped them so I really don't know if they have safer ones out there, have only heard of pups dying from being overheated using them. girly!

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    Thanks Jenn! well, i heard of these kind of "basket" muzzles that are safer than the nylon kind b/c it does allow the dog to pant and not overheat. However, i'm not even sure where to start if i were to muzzle Finn. I don't want to muzzle him actually, but then I need to be confident that he will not bite anyone again also. For now, i'm not going to allow him to get close to strangers and will just need to watch him closely.




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    Hi Henny sorry you are going thru this with Finn. I dont have any advice but I am sending you . Have you tried gentle lead type of collar for your walks? I heard they are great for dogs who pull.

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    Awwww Henny! I'm just seeing this...(been preoccupied with my brand new grandson ). This is a tough one ...and honestly, if you realize you aren't feeling in charge and the "leader"..that's a big step. I think you should look for someone to work with you and the boys together. It won't take care of your anxiety by sending Finn through a refresher course.

    We have used a soft muzzle on a very grumpy Dobie for a short time..I hate muzzles, but this was very doggie friendly and certainly was ok to use.

    Above all, the reason many breeds get pegged as "bad" is because they are often in situations that aren't their fault! We want Finn to be a happy boy..and hs mommy NOT to be stressed.

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    @JAKEISGREAT .. COngratulations on your grandson

    I know it might not help and i dont know how much time you have on your hands but instead of feeling guilty how about walking Finn in the morning and Tate in the evening? Even if its only short term so you can really work with Finn. Instead of feeling guilty feel proud that your doing your best for BOTH of them and giving them love and attention (and being pack leader and more importantly in control) individually. After a few days they'll probably love their alone time with you and if you feel more in control with just 1 at a time your bad vibes should go too :-) xx

    I only suggest this as maybe its not just you giving bad vibes but he could be trying to protect Tate too and be pack leader. I know with my sisters dogs (husky and yorkshire terrior) if she walks husky on her own shes loving caring and will greet any dog around.. If she takes the yorkie and husky together.. Ellie the husky hates other dogs going near them both and growls.
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    @Meekosmommy took the thoughts right out of my head. Spend some "one on one" time with your Problem Child perhaps? By resolving his issue, you'll be helping the other pup because he's probably, in large part, reacting to his brother.

    That "chaotic and messy" feeling? I absolutely understand what you mean! By quickly explaining to the humans you're greeting "my dogs are in training" so you don't feel you have to focus on the humans you're encountering will help your energy. Keep them a few feet apart from the "target". Correct pulling toward the target with your version of "Tssst!" and a swift touch to the flanks (I use my toe, Cesar style). That touch isn't the correction...its to throw them off focusing on the target and back to you so you can redirect. I swear, everytime I touch Bo on the flanks in this way, he looks at me like "WHAT??!!!!" It's always unexpected to him! (and therefore it works)

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    Thanks again folks for all your feedback...i'm just now reading my thread and didn't realize i had so many great replies posted.

    I believe I do need to spend more one on one time, especially w/Finn. Tate can be very attention-seeking and I can see Finn sometimes either going off to the side when i'm w/Tate b/c of Tate's huge "presence", or a fight will ensue betw. the two of them. For instance, I will be playing w/Finn and snuggling w/him and then here comes Tate! he gets right in the middle of our playing; in this instance I will usually tell Tate "NO" and make him wait til I'm done playing w/Finn...but I know i'm not always consistent.
    I know Finn is trying to protect not only me, but Tate as well on our walks. Finn really is the gentlest boy and so playful and I just want him to be happy. Lately, our walks have been drama-free, thank goodness.
    @Ashleym, is that gentle leader the same as a the "easy walk" harness? I do use that on both boys. @JAKEISGREAT--yes, have been thinking of doing a "refresher" w/them. The lady we used last time does home visits so that's something i'm going to look into.

    Thanks again!




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    Amber here lately raises her hair up on end and barks at strangers coming to the door. She has always barked but lately she acts like she would bit; that said, if someone asked to pet her she has never been around my answer would be no. Not only for their safety but you never know what the other person is caring in reference to germs. In Arizona we have to worry about valley fever, I don't know how it is transmitted but I don't take any chances either. I do not expose my bullies to just anyone. Good luck.

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    I didn't know about valley fever either so I looked it up.Two species of coccidioides fungi cause valley fever. These fungi are commonly found in the soil in specific areas and can be stirred into the air by anything that disrupts the soil, such as farming, construction and wind. The fungi can then be breathed into the lungs and cause valley fever, also known as acute coccidioidomycosis (kok-sid-e-oy-doh-my-KOH-sis).Valley fever is a fungal infection caused by coccidioides (kok-sid-e-OY-deze) organisms. It can cause fever, chest pain and coughing, among other signs and symptoms.

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    I'm going to side with @jimmyjj that perhaps a muzzle would be the best thing for Finn's and your protection.

    I don't know about your area, but years ago when I lived in Ohio we had a terrier that was a fear nipper. She was great with the family, but anyone she didn't know was someone for her to fear. Our kids (teens) took her for a walk and a neighbor kid got nipped. She broke the skin just a little, so of course it had to be reported. She also nipped a kid in our home a friend of my sons who she didn't know. It ended up that we had to stop walking her at all because she had nipped two people and in that area a third reported bite was grounds for automatic euthanizing. We just kept her away from any strangers at all. We never thought of a muzzle back then, but I think if I would have that would have been an option I'd have utilized just to be on the safe side. I think like crating they definately have a purpose, if you got him used to it and rewarded for wearing etc that you could just use it as a safety tool.

    A mean spirited person could press the issue, especially with the ban all bulldog mentality that is so rampant in areas.

    And it's just way too easy for something to happen too quickly rely on that "you have it under control"feeling.

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