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    Would you put one on one of your kids to make them listen? Just a thought

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    Well I was able to get even more done with her...I had her walking in the middle of the road without a leash right next to me trotting like a real dog, and not low to the ground scared for her life. She seemed so happy to be outside and not scared for once. Brought her inside and she's been acting fine, and wanted to play when we got back...

    So...@gunnyboy

    No I wouldn't use these on my kids (if I had any). But my kids would also understand what I am trying to say, or communicate/understand via human behavior. So there would be no need lol

    @LolasPuppet I did put it around my neck + my g/f's, and we both found it to be annoying but not painful at all.

    Mother dogs use their mouths to correct the pups. This creates a little painful circumstance when the dog does a certain behavior. So why is it ok for the mother dog to create this circumstance for them, but not me, their new mother, or care taker? I agree they can be used the wrong way and be cruel if they aren't used right. So using one requires a lot of reading and watching others. I probably watched around 3 hr's of tips, and read over a dozen articles on them before finally allowing myself to be ok with it. Remember that most have levels that you and your pet can choose. I stop once I see her ear twitch, so there is no yelps or any crazy discomfort. It's not some unregulated single shock that they get. They are NOT getting a real SHOCK. It's like a little poke. So please before thinking I'm a cruel person, go do some more research or try one out if you can. I even put it on my mother(she thought it was cruel too until I showed her), and she just laughed at it...If she can handle it, then anyone can lol, she's a wimp...

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    Sorry if that sounded a little

    But I don't want people thinking I'm a cruel person. My other dog Chester was all PR and never once did I have to use something like this. But her issues are pretty deeply rooted, and everything that I've used on all my dogs didn't work for her at all. Please just don't hate me

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiLlilly View Post
    Mother dogs use their mouths to correct the pups. This creates a little painful circumstance when the dog does a certain behavior. So why is it ok for the mother dog to create this circumstance for them, but not me, their new mother, or care taker?
    Not that long ago it was also acceptable to hit your kids if they did something really wrong. But we as society evolved to the point where there's mutual and general understanding that it's wrong, even if our natural instincts sometimes tell us to use force when we're really angry.

    My point: the fact that mother dogs do a certain thing to their pups, doesn't necessarily mean that's the right thing to do. Maybe it's due to the fact that dogs haven't evolved enough just yet and/or are currently not capable to correct their pups in a different way. However, us humans are very capable of correcting dogs in many much more friendly ways, shouldn't we then be doing that instead?

    Let me give you another example, just to illustrate my point: at certain stages of humanity, it was generally accepted that slavery is acceptable. So if some super intelligent alien species came to Earth, would that mean that they could enslave us, since us humans did that to each other? Of course not, and as a super intelligent species, they would know that.

    I'm just giving you all something to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiLlilly View Post
    But I don't want people thinking I'm a cruel person.
    Nobody thinks that, we're just having a debate.
    Also, it's definitely very possible that it's not bad for the dog. But it's also possible that it is, maybe not physically, but perhaps psychologically (that's close to impossible for us to know for sure, either way). Or that there maybe are better alternatives.
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    Hello,
    I hired a dog trainer & he taught me to use the pinch collar & the E Collar for training. I had the hardest time at first! I am a softy, & Debo is my baby!
    The E Collar is so good for off leash training or even just basic manners. Especially for stubborn dogs.
    I'll teach you everything the trainer taught me, if you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolasPuppet View Post
    Not that long ago it was also acceptable to hit your kids if they did something really wrong. But we as society evolved to the point where there's mutual and general understanding that it's wrong, even if our natural instincts sometimes tell us to use force when we're really angry.

    My point: the fact that mother dogs do a certain thing to their pups, doesn't necessarily mean that's the right thing to do. Maybe it's due to the fact that dogs haven't evolved enough just yet and/or are currently not capable to correct their pups in a different way. However, us humans are very capable of correcting dogs in many much more friendly ways, shouldn't we then be doing that instead?

    Let me give you another example, just to illustrate my point: at certain stages of humanity, it was generally accepted that slavery is acceptable. So if some super intelligent alien species came to Earth, would that mean that they could enslave us, since us humans did that to each other? Of course not, and as a super intelligent species, they would know that.

    I'm just giving you all something to think about.
    Hmm...Good point

    Allow me to kinda make another example if that's alright. Mother nature also endowed us with opposable thumbs, a much larger brain so we can reason, and solve complex problems. Dogs can't reason like us, so how could anything that they do be wrong? They can't question things that feel natural to them like us humans do. They just live in the moment and DO what comes natural rather then stop and question it. We're able to think very deeply into things, where dogs are much less complex in that regard. Dogs have been around a LOOOONG time, and I'm pretty sure they know what they gotta do.

    But obviously there are dogs that learned without natures approach, so sure they can understand our PR concepts to a degree. But not ALL dogs are the SAME. Nor, does everyone have the amount of time/energy/knowledge to train with these methods effectively. Especially in more severe cases like Lilly and the like. Its also a more realistic approach in almost all aspects. We all work, and have lots of stuff to do. I know I can't always be spending 4+ hours a day training her. So this for me is the most logical way of helping her understand what we need from her, and eventually creating a stress free life for her.

    I'm totally all for a friendly approach. Like I said all my dogs thus far have done fine that way. But Lilly, is definitely a severe case. I'm actually starting to think that its not so much a fear of outside, but a not knowing how to be outside. I know when Chester was a pup he hated the leash, hated walking, and just wanted to play all day lol. But he had consistent training since he was a pup. Lilly unfortunately never had that. She needs a very firm foundation for her to really grasp what I want because she's distracted so easily. Most dogs do well with food, she does better with feeling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolasPuppet View Post
    Nobody thinks that, we're just having a debate.
    Also, it's definitely very possible that it's not bad for the dog. But it's also possible that it is, maybe not physically, but perhaps psychologically (that's close to impossible for us to know for sure, either way). Or that there maybe are better alternatives.
    Lol, ok just making sure..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiLlilly View Post
    Hmm...Good point


    Allow me to kinda make another example if that's alright. Mother nature also endowed us with opposable thumbs, a much larger brain so we can reason, and solve complex problems. Dogs can't reason like us, so how could anything that they do be wrong? They can't question things that feel natural to them like us humans do. They just live in the moment and DO what comes natural rather then stop and question it. We're able to think very deeply into things, where dogs are much less complex in that regard. Dogs have been around a LOOOONG time, and I'm pretty sure they know what they gotta do.
    That's true, however, animals (us humans included) do all kinds of things, but that doesn't mean there aren't better ways to do them. There are many types of animals, who have also been around a LOOOONG time, that eat their own babies (mostly to survive), doesn't mean it's the best way/thing to do. If they were more intelligent, they could definitely find better ways to survive, WITHOUT eating their own babies.
    Quote Originally Posted by LiLlilly View Post
    But obviously there are dogs that learned without natures approach, so sure they can understand our concepts to a degree. But not ALL dogs are the SAME. Nor, does everyone have the amount of time/energy/knowledge to do so. Especially in more severe cases like Lilly and the like. Its also a more realistic approach in almost all aspects. We all work, and have lots of stuff to do. I know I can't always be spending 4+ hours a day training her. So this for me is the most logical way of helping her understand what we need from her, and eventually creating a stress free life for her.
    That's also true. It's still MUCH better to train her with such a collar, than to have her untrained, ever for her! You're also correct that not everyone has the time/energy/knowledge to use other alternatives. Also, certain situations can be so hard that perhaps even the most gifted trainers couldn't solve them using just the optimal methods.

    And that's the good thing of having more evolved brains. We can consider all the facts we can get, different views, all the circumstances and then do the thing that's the best, considering everything. In your situation, using such a collar may very well be the best thing for everyone included, even for Lilly.
    Quote Originally Posted by LiLlilly View Post
    Lilly unfortunately never had that. She needs a very firm foundation for her really grasp what I want because she's distracted so easily. Most dogs do well with food, she does better with feeling.
    Yeah, if it's either current situation or such a collar, then you most probably should choose the collar.

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    I watched an episode with a Ceaser on a food aggressive, abused bulldog and the collar worked in this situation and I would use it at that level also.

    May be overkill on your situation though, as a lot could be dealt with on daily work and obedience training.

    You will have to work on the fears and the way to do that is pushing the mind forward until your over the issue and then rinse and repeat. Not sure how the collar would apply here.


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    Btw., worry not, we can tell by this thread alone that you're very considerate of her feelings and well-being and are surely a great daddy/mommy to her.

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    Hmm, Pan has never had any issues that required such harsh measures. Don't get me wrong - sometimes he's VERY bull headed.

    I would suggest trying to find another method, leave that one for the very last resort. But since I've read that you've already started using it, just don't start depending on it. Remember you attack more bees with sugar than you do with vinegar. Love will get you so much farther.

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