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    Default Going RAW, gradual change from kibble or go full raw from day 1?

    I'm still battling skin issues with my bulldog Lola. She has been on Apoquel for about 3 years now and still has some issues with pink itchy skin and I want to get her off the medication because I think it may do more harm than good in the long run. She has already had to have a Mast Cell Tumor removed from the top of her head that developed about a year after she started the Apoquel. The vet doesn't think it is from the medication but I'm not convinced that is true. Regardless, I want to get her off the medication. I figured the best option is to get her off the Fromm kibble dog food and onto a raw diet. I started her this morning on a transition to Primal RAW beef patties. I started mixing it 1/4 new raw with 3/4 old kibble like they suggest to do for the first 3 days. Then they suggest full raw in the morning and full kibble in the evening for the next 4 days, then full raw after that for both meals. That said, I have been reading that mixing the raw food with the kibble as they suggest for the first 3 days can cause digestive upset due to the way their body digests raw and kibble differently. I have read that raw for one meal and kibble for another 6+ hours later is fine. So, is following Primal's recommendation the way to go? Will the first 3 days of mixing the foods in the same meal cause an issue or is that the way to go?

    Any suggestions on a smooth transition to RAW is appreciated.

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    Default Re: Going RAW, gradual change from kibble or go full raw from day 1?

    You can totally switch cold turkey to raw. There might be a little tummy upset but I never had any issues when I did that with Jax. Louie gets kibble in the morning and raw at night and I have not had any issues.

    Also, Cytopoint injections are safer than Apoquel. Jax gets the Cytopoint every 7-8 weeks as he has really bad environmental allergies and going raw wasn't enough.

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    Apoquel for about 3 years is wayyyyy too long! Good gut you have there ! Also, you don’t need to do all that transition since it’s raw. I feed mine frozen raw to avoid IF any bacteria. Little 1/2lb blocks. Regarding health issues read upon the thread attached. Sure helps our dogs from taking too much meds... all about maintenance.

    http://www.englishbulldognews.com/fo...tial-oils.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cbrugs View Post
    You can totally switch cold turkey to raw. There might be a little tummy upset but I never had any issues when I did that with Jax. Louie gets kibble in the morning and raw at night and I have not had any issues.

    Also, Cytopoint injections are safer than Apoquel. Jax gets the Cytopoint every 7-8 weeks as he has really bad environmental allergies and going raw wasn't enough.
    Thanks for the response. My vet just talked to me about Cytopoint at our last appointment. It does sound better than the Apoquel as far as how it works within the body. But it is $100 per shot and I'm hoping to save the medication expense since the food is going to cost quite a bit more than the Fromm pork and peas kibble. Crossing my fingers that going RAW does the trick.

    Something else I just thought about...is there any issues with the dog licking people when they eat raw food? Obviously if they licked someone right after eating they could pass on the bacteria from the food, but in general is it anything to worry about?

    Also, what about changing protein sources...can you just change from one to another on raw or do you need to make gradual changes? I'm just wondering in case the beef food doesn't seem to do the trick then I'm going to probably try the lamb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helsonwheels View Post
    Apoquel for about 3 years is wayyyyy too long! Good gut you have there ! Also, you don’t need to do all that transition since it’s raw. I feed mine frozen raw to avoid IF any bacteria. Little 1/2lb blocks. Regarding health issues read upon the thread attached. Sure helps our dogs from taking too much meds... all about maintenance.

    http://www.englishbulldognews.com/fo...tial-oils.html

    Thanks for the reply. I'll check out the link.

    Are you saying that you feed the raw food while it is still frozen? I thought I read that they won't digest the food properly if it is frozen when they ingest it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcchenard View Post
    Thanks for the reply. I'll check out the link.

    Are you saying that you feed the raw food while it is still frozen? I thought I read that they won't digest the food properly if it is frozen when they ingest it.
    Yes I feed from frozen n no problem digesting. Also great for their teeth...makes them chew. I know some will semi thaw their food but I always gave it straight from the freezer. Also their whole herrings or tripe is always given frozen. I’m in the food industry and the things I hear n see from cross contamination’s which is caused 90% by humans. So no, frozen all the way for Nyala n Duke. Even their marrow bones are given frozen. When they’re done they go in the fridge for next day if they haven’t eaten all the marrow. They both have stomachs like steel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcchenard View Post
    Thanks for the response. My vet just talked to me about Cytopoint at our last appointment. It does sound better than the Apoquel as far as how it works within the body. But it is $100 per shot and I'm hoping to save the medication expense since the food is going to cost quite a bit more than the Fromm pork and peas kibble. Crossing my fingers that going RAW does the trick.

    Something else I just thought about...is there any issues with the dog licking people when they eat raw food? Obviously if they licked someone right after eating they could pass on the bacteria from the food, but in general is it anything to worry about?

    Also, what about changing protein sources...can you just change from one to another on raw or do you need to make gradual changes? I'm just wondering in case the beef food doesn't seem to do the trick then I'm going to probably try the lamb.
    You can also try baths with a medicated shampoo to help with skin issues. I like to rotate between Ketohex and Chlorohexidine.

    Some people might feel differently but Iíve never worried about getting bacteria transferred from them eating raw and then giving kisses. I always wipe Louieís mouth after he eats but thatís more because he is so messy and you want to keep a bulldogís face clean and dry to avoid other issues. But I rarely wipe Jaxís face and we always give kisses. Do what you are comfortable with.

    You definitely want to rotate between at least 3 different proteins. But only do 1 at a time so youíll know if there are any issues. I would do 1 protein for at least two weeks straight if not more, then do the same with another protein and so on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cbrugs View Post
    You can also try baths with a medicated shampoo to help with skin issues. I like to rotate between Ketohex and Chlorohexidine.

    Some people might feel differently but I’ve never worried about getting bacteria transferred from them eating raw and then giving kisses. I always wipe Louie’s mouth after he eats but that’s more because he is so messy and you want to keep a bulldog’s face clean and dry to avoid other issues. But I rarely wipe Jax’s face and we always give kisses. Do what you are comfortable with.

    You definitely want to rotate between at least 3 different proteins. But only do 1 at a time so you’ll know if there are any issues. I would do 1 protein for at least two weeks straight if not more, then do the same with another protein and so on.


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    Thanks for info. I'll give the beef food 3-4 weeks, unless I see issues, then try another protein.

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    Yes I feed from frozen n no problem digesting. Also great for their teeth...makes them chew. I know some will semi thaw their food but I always gave it straight from the freezer. Also their whole herrings or tripe is always given frozen. I’m in the food industry and the things I hear n see from cross contamination’s which is caused 90% by humans. So no, frozen all the way for Nyala n Duke. Even their marrow bones are given frozen. When they’re done they go in the fridge for next day if they haven’t eaten all the marrow. They both have stomachs like steel.
    Thanks for the additional info.

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    When we switched from kibble to raw, we had to add pumpkin puree to stop the runny poop. Within a day, we were back on track. Also for skin issues, we have used 50/50 apple cider vinegar and water. cleared up dry skin right away.

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    Forgot to add- Goats milk or kefir is also great for the skin issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDTX Bulldogges View Post
    When we switched from kibble to raw, we had to add pumpkin puree to stop the runny poop. Within a day, we were back on track. Also for skin issues, we have used 50/50 apple cider vinegar and water. cleared up dry skin right away.

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    Forgot to add- Goats milk or kefir is also great for the skin issues.
    Thanks!


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    Lola loves the Primal Raw food but she has become constipated. Her poop is like really big rabbit turds. I have been giving her about 1 tablespoon of canned 100% pumpkin with every meal since I started transitioning her to the raw food and tonight she puked up what looked like the volume of her dinner tonight and her breakfast from this morning. I also just noticed that she has not been drinking as much water, hardly any at all, since starting the raw food.

    Any suggestions? Iím sure more water would help but I canít force her to drink more water.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pcchenard View Post
    Lola loves the Primal Raw food but she has become constipated. Her poop is like really big rabbit turds. I have been giving her about 1 tablespoon of canned 100% pumpkin with every meal since I started transitioning her to the raw food and tonight she puked up what looked like the volume of her dinner tonight and her breakfast from this morning. I also just noticed that she has not been drinking as much water, hardly any at all, since starting the raw food.

    Any suggestions? Iím sure more water would help but I canít force her to drink more water.


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    Drinking less water is common while eating raw as raw already contains so much moisture.

    Is she having trouble pooping? They definitely go less while eating raw. If she is struggling to poop, she might need more food or maybe the bone content is too high for.


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