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    Default Just switched my babies to raw!

    My babies have been having skin issues: dry skin and dandruff to the point where they're always scratching. They have quite a few scabs from the scratching and it's been going on for a while now I've tried medicated shampoos, oatmeal baths, switching their food and nothing worked! After reading about the benefits of a raw diet (allergies and just overall health), I just decided to go for it and made the switch last night.

    I'm doing the BARF diet I believe, where you grind the meat as opposed to the prey model diet. They tend to swallow things whole so I don't wanna take any chances of them swallowing bones I started them on chicken and they seem to have taken it well.

    Now my question(s): When starting, am I supposed to feed them only the chicken and nothing else for 2 weeks? Should I be adding anything like vegetables or supplements? I'm such a noob to the raw feeding, any help would be great!

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    Default Re: Just switched my babies to raw!

    How old are your bully's? If they've done growing in hight you should start with only one thing and chicken is just great. When you see that there is no unwanted reaction on chicken you add another protein source and. But if they're still growing in height plain chicken is not enough.

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    Default Re: Just switched my babies to raw!

    If you give him cuts bigger than his head, he won't be able to swallow it whole. But BARF is great too. Everything is completely dependent on how your dog reacts to the transition. If your dog is adjusting well (poops are regular, energy level is regular, skin condition is the same or improved), then you don't have to stick to just chicken for 2 weeks. You can start experimenting with other stuff a little bit at a time. Sticking with just chicken for 2 weeks just to be sure he is consistently doing good is also good. It's all up to you... balance over time - that's the ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiiSi View Post
    How old are your bully's? If they've done growing in hight you should start with only one thing and chicken is just great. When you see that there is no unwanted reaction on chicken you add another protein source and. But if they're still growing in height plain chicken is not enough.
    Mochi is 5 months and Koju is 11 months. Still pups. They seem to be doing well with just chicken so far. I wanna make sure they're getting all the nutrients they need, especially if they're still growing. What do you suggest are good things to add to the chicken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatess View Post
    If you give him cuts bigger than his head, he won't be able to swallow it whole. But BARF is great too. Everything is completely dependent on how your dog reacts to the transition. If your dog is adjusting well (poops are regular, energy level is regular, skin condition is the same or improved), then you don't have to stick to just chicken for 2 weeks. You can start experimenting with other stuff a little bit at a time. Sticking with just chicken for 2 weeks just to be sure he is consistently doing good is also good. It's all up to you... balance over time - that's the ticket.
    That's what I'm scared of. I don't wanna add too many things at once because I don't know how they'll react to it. So far they haven't had any bad reactions to the chicken I was thinking maybe in a few days if they're still doing well, I'll add a vegetable source. I also read that fish oil is good to put in their food. Would that be too sudden to add?

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    In my opinion the 5 months old pup is too young to be eating just chicken, eleven months old will be fine, but if he does fine you can add more variety in shorter time. Nutrients need to be balanced in shorter time than with pups than with adults. Adding just one veggie is not enough eather. Chicken has hardly any calsium in it and the pup will be deficient in a lot of nutrients. Have you considered a pre-made raw patties for the younger pup? Or get a good supplement to ensure the vitamins and nutrients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiiSi View Post
    In my opinion the 5 months old pup is too young to be eating just chicken, eleven months old will be fine, but if he does fine you can add more variety in shorter time. Nutrients need to be balanced in shorter time than with pups than with adults. Adding just one veggie is not enough eather. Chicken has hardly any calsium in it and the pup will be deficient in a lot of nutrients. Have you considered a pre-made raw patties for the younger pup? Or get a good supplement to ensure the vitamins and nutrients.
    Oh no! Don't want that to happen to the little one. Yea I think I'll go with the supplement. I was thinking about the pre-made raw patties, but it's just too expensive. It's cheaper to make it myself. Any recommendations on a good supplement? I'd like to get it today so I don't skimp out on her nutrients.

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    Get something that is especially for pup with all nutrients. You can also speed up the process of adding proteins and other ingredients in to their diet. Just do it one at the time so you know how they react to it.

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    Default Re: Just switched my babies to raw!

    Riisi has lots of experience in Raw feeding too but we disagree on the chicken.

    Only chicken for the first 2 weeks is just fine for puppies. As a matter of fact, it is recommended for weaning pups as they build strength in their teeth and jaws. Only chicken for a month during the transition is fine too as long as you feed the entire chicken complete with heads, feet, giblets, gizzards, heart and liver. The calcium content of chicken bone is just fine.

    I go by the Prey Model philosophy so if you're feeding the entire chicken, you don't need veggies. So introducing veggies at this point has a higher risk to benefit ratio because you will be introducing carbs. Introducing fish is a better alternative. Not just fish oil. The entire fish - complete with fish bones. But as I've said previously, just observe your dog's condition - poop, skin, energy level. If everything is perfect, you don't need to wait out the 2 weeks to introduce another food item.

    The main reason for going raw is so that you can provide your dog with biologically appropriate whole food nutrition. Sticking with whole foods without chemical additives is best unless your dog exhibits nutritional deficiencies. Whole Prey (including chicken) has all the nutrition a dog needs without needing artificial chemical supplementation. If you can't feed whole prey (it might not be easy to find organs and heads and feet in grocery stores) then supplementing with whole "chewed up" (or pureed or cooked) veggies is ideal - still no chemical additives. The only difference between puppies and adults is the amount you feed - puppies need more food (hence more calories, more calcium and phosphorous, etc) in relation to their body weight than their adult counterparts. But of course, chemical additives do have the benefit of making us feel better about what we're feeding - just a dash of confidence - even if the dog is not exhibiting health issues. And that's completely okay. In this case, a "complete" daily vitamin is better than targetted supplements.

    This shouldn't have to be more complicated than it is. Making it too complicated also makes it too confusing.

    Hope this helps.
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    @anatess You're right....we disagree about the chicken....

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    Default Re: Just switched my babies to raw!

    Quote Originally Posted by RiiSi View Post
    @anatess You're right....we disagree about the chicken....
    Just in case it matters... most Prey Model Raw feeders recommend chicken for the first month of transition for all dogs including weaning puppies. Here and here are links with success stories. If you think about it - what you're saying is chicken bone doesn't have enough calcium. If that's the case, then feed more chicken bone to increase calcium. But then, puppies don't just need more calcium - they need more of everything - calories included. That's why Prey Model recommends feeding a puppy 3% of his expected ADULT body weight and giving them edible bones for chew toys. You know you're feeding too much calcium because the poop turns chalky.

    But yes, this is PMR not BARF. Lots of differing ideologies there. Who is right? Everybody. Including those healthy dogs on Purina. The healthy dog is doing it right. So all this is completely dependent on how your dog reacts to your feeding method.
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    Default Re: Just switched my babies to raw!

    I have been feeding raw for several years, and I have 5 bullies. I adopt from rescue. Each time I got a new dog, this is how I started them on raw.
    First I cooked the meat and veg, gave them that for several days, and kept an eye on their stool. If all well, I then gave part cooked and part raw,meat and veg. It was the same as my other dogs were eating, so it was chicken, fish and beef. Kept eye on stool. If all was okay with that, then week later, went totally raw. Depends on dog. It usually takes 2-3 weeks to get them on totally raw.
    Good for you for going to raw!! I can not imagine you regretting it.

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