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    Default Raw food = tears, stains, wrinkle problems.

    I picked up a bunch of chicken white meat, and organs (hearts, liver) with bone, grinded it, and have been feeding to Baxter raw for about 4 days.

    For the first time since I've owned him, he has red stains all inside every one of his "folds", and red streaks down from his eyes.

    I am not a fan of that. He's been totally fine up until now, when I was only giving him chicken from the store. Maybe its the red organ meat, but it simply does not come off. Im thinking its coming out his pores or something because i wipe his face after every meal, and this stuff does not wipe off.

    In addition to this, despite having eaten raw chicken tons of times (from grocery store) he is now farting like insanity. I literally did not experience more than a handful of farts in the 2-3 months I've had him. Yet exactly 4 days ago now he farts nonstop. That tells me that this food is not sitting well with him, and is not "better" than what he was having before.

    I understand that raw feeding takes time to adjust, but he's been on raw for awhile. Just not organ meats or bones. Any food that makes him fart, and leaks red stains all over his coat tells me its not benefiting him, but is maybe overkill.

    Any advice?

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    Default Re: Raw food = tears, stains, wrinkle problems.

    I have no experience w/raw feeding, but I will tag someone who does... @RiiSi

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    Default Re: Raw food = tears, stains, wrinkle problems.

    So I'm guessing here that he is about 4-5months old...? And you've been feeding him what from since you got him...? What kind of ratio do you feed...meat/organ/bone...? And how much does he weight and how much you feed...?

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    He's exactly 4 months old. @RiiSi

    For about 4-5 weeks prior I have been feeding him raw chicken breast (white meat) ground up with rice (only sometimes).
    Also gave him veal a couple times.
    Also Turkey a few times. Also Beef.
    He tolerated the chicken best, so I stayed with chicken, as I understand you're supposed to start slow, with just one meat.

    And as such, I only bought chicken from the meat supplier.

    But at no point in the last 5 weeks did he ever get any stains in his creases.
    They were remarkably pristine.
    I checked often and they didn't even need to be cleaned at all.
    Was starting to wonder if I had a unique bulldog, but assumed it was just because he was still a puppy.
    No puberty yet.

    The ratio the raw meat supplier told me was this:

    3 lbs of chicken meat and bones (white meats)
    8 ounces of chicken liver
    8 ounces of chicken hearts.

    Grind that up and serve raw.

    I just spoke to my breeder and he said "Too many organ meats causes red staining due to excess iron content in the organ meats".

    I'd also like to identify the cause of the farts. His 100% lack of farting until 4 days ago meant I was doing something right. (in my mind).

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    Default Re: Raw food = tears, stains, wrinkle problems.

    It's totally possible that too much organ is giving him staining. Also, my girl gets REALLY gassy if she gets too much organ. Organ in general just makes them kind of.."loose." I don't feed Delilah as much organ as what's recommended, just because I know she doesn't handle it as well. She still gets it, just not extreme amounts.

    It's also highly possible that he's developing an allergy to chicken? If he eats a lot of it. Sometimes certain proteins will cause staining. Delilah does stain a bit with chicken. Granted, not bad. I just have to feed other protein sources as well, mix it up a bit. I clean her out really good every day. The stains aren't bad by any means though..way better than when she ate kibble. That was terrible. I've come to accept that I probably won't be able to totally get rid of the staining. Her coat is immaculate otherwise.

    Also. As far as the farting goes. Delilah didn't start doing it much until she hit 5-6 months. You'll be hard pressed to find a bulldog that doesn't fart, LOL. she farts no matter WHAT I feed her. Like I said though, organ makes it worse for her at least.


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    Default Re: Raw food = tears, stains, wrinkle problems.

    Hello Baxter! Maybe I can be a bit of help, I've been feeding my guy raw since he was 8weeks now 10months it's been very helpful with tremendous results! We no longer feed chicken as he had a hard time keeping it down and it does make him gassy, highly doubt the stains are caused by organ, he might be detoxing our guy had some in the beginning but went away, raw feeding is something that should be slowly introduced and transitioned, there is certain way it should get started with just bone the first week and alternating protein one day and bone the next day keeping a watchful eye on his stool. After we have a nice firm stool you will start to introduce organ and different proteins very slowly a dime size worth of each! Your ratio should be 5%liver 5%organ 10%bone 80%protein always feed liver! I recommend you to start back to basics ! Our results he drinks a lot less water, poops a lot less no scratching or itching and has an amazing shiny coat! I would love to help you and answer the questions I have answers for! Good luck

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    Default Re: Raw food = tears, stains, wrinkle problems.

    I think you're feeding too much organ. For 3 lbs of meat/bone, I only give 2.5 ounces of liver and 2.5 ounces of other secreting organs. Chicken hearts I count as muscle meat not organs, but even then, 8 ounces of liver is a lot for a 3lb meal.

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    Default Re: Raw food = tears, stains, wrinkle problems.

    Yes that was the problem. The organ meat.

    I have since switched to a pre-made, lightly cooked whole food product called Farm Fresh Pet Food. Its outstanding, and it has the organ meat in it already, in proper ratios.

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    Default Re: Raw food = tears, stains, wrinkle problems.

    I recently started Maggie on raw. I started with the turkey. Now she has a rash on her stomach and she scratches non stop and has lost a ton of hair....mow whwat

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    Default Re: Raw food = tears, stains, wrinkle problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by magnolia View Post
    I recently started Maggie on raw. I started with the turkey. Now she has a rash on her stomach and she scratches non stop and has lost a ton of hair....mow whwat
    There's a couple of options. The first is to make sure that the turkey isn't enhanced. It shouldn't be flavoured or seasoned, as what a lot of turkey in the stores are. I usually buy plain utility turkeys for my boys.

    The next option is to try a new meat. A lot start with chicken or pork . Make sure it's the only thing Maggie eats, so no treats, fruits, veggies, etc. at least not until we figure out what will suit her.
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    Default Re: Raw food = tears, stains, wrinkle problems.

    I don't know if it will help but I did a whole bunch of research on this stuff and found out I was doing it waaaay wrong. Kale is a biggie regardless though fyi. It is a superfood for dogs as well as humans...Luckily, while at the state fair I came across a small company in North Carolina called "Unleashed." They are kind of like the Whole Foods of animals. Everything is organic, no byproducts, no preservatives, all natural, grain free, not made in china, gluten free, etc. They do not carry any of this and refuse to. I talked with her for a while and explained that I was cooking for my dog because I read so many labels at Petsmart that I might as well have been at the library studying for somekind of dogfood test. She told me the cream of the crop for raw diet was called Answers. There's plain Answers and then there's Answers (detailed) that has everything your puppy would need for growing including kombucha tea. The only thing in my opinion it is missing is kale... It's been working out great for our bully so far. He drinks less and poops once a day and his coat always feels like he's just been bathed. It's crazy the difference that it has made. No skin issues, yeast is going away and so are the tear stains, and he rarely passes gas now. I like the beef or pork. Deez tends to burp up on the chicken. You just have to feed them this slowly because they will swallow it whole! Here's a description off the website.

    A full ingredient product: 90% meat, organs and ground bone, 10% whole food ingredients: eggs, vegetables, fish oil, montmorillonite, kombucha, sea salt, and
    natural trace minerals.
    No heat processing, no synthetic vitamins, no pressure processing
    No hormones, antibiotics, or growth promotants added . . . EVER!
    Convenient and wholesome with unique formulation
    Environmentally-friendly green packaging

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    Quote Originally Posted by k1ngEr0s View Post
    I don't know if it will help but I did a whole bunch of research on this stuff and found out I was doing it waaaay wrong. Kale is a biggie regardless though fyi. It is a superfood for dogs as well as humans...Luckily, while at the state fair I came across a small company in North Carolina called "Unleashed." They are kind of like the Whole Foods of animals. Everything is organic, no byproducts, no preservatives, all natural, grain free, not made in china, gluten free, etc. They do not carry any of this and refuse to. I talked with her for a while and explained that I was cooking for my dog because I read so many labels at Petsmart that I might as well have been at the library studying for somekind of dogfood test. She told me the cream of the crop for raw diet was called Answers. There's plain Answers and then there's Answers (detailed) that has everything your puppy would need for growing including kombucha tea. The only thing in my opinion it is missing is kale... It's been working out great for our bully so far. He drinks less and poops once a day and his coat always feels like he's just been bathed. It's crazy the difference that it has made. No skin issues, yeast is going away and so are the tear stains, and he rarely passes gas now. I like the beef or pork. Deez tends to burp up on the chicken. You just have to feed them this slowly because they will swallow it whole! Here's a description off the website.

    A full ingredient product: 90% meat, organs and ground bone, 10% whole food ingredients: eggs, vegetables, fish oil, montmorillonite, kombucha, sea salt, and
    natural trace minerals.
    No heat processing, no synthetic vitamins, no pressure processing
    No hormones, antibiotics, or growth promotants added . . . EVER!
    Convenient and wholesome with unique formulation
    Environmentally-friendly green packaging
    How do you feed the kale? raw and leafy, cooked, or does it come in powder etc...???

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