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    Default Re: A question for raw feeders

    Quote Originally Posted by Angelgirl View Post
    Thanks @savemejeebus ! Reading this thread and all the others, I've already found out I started them wrong... I went straight for the beef
    Starting with beef is ok. Most people just recommend chicken because the bones are softer plus it's one of the least expensive option. What about the bones though, can Belly eat them ok? Can't suggest much about what beef bones to give because I usually buy boneless type. But I'll send you the links too, just in case I haven't yet. (Should really keep a tab on who I pm. ) There's certain beef bones that's not recommended. I'll do a quick search and post the musts and must nots. And remember, weight bearing bones of large animals must never be given. If large enough, you can give them as recreational items, but always monitor just in case they swallow them.

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    Default Re: A question for raw feeders

    Info I gathered:

    Recommendations on how to start with rawfeeding

    1. Generally, you should feed 2-3% of your dog’s body weight. Those that may need more those that are either pregnant, puppies tiny/toy or very active dogs where 4-5% is recommended. Since adult bulldogs are less active, you may find that you can feed less than 2% body weight.

    2. If you are unsure of your pup’s adult weight, go by the weight of their parents or the average breed weight. Note that it is better to feed a little less in the beginning than feed more as this will avoid cannon butt and runny stools.

    3. Generally, the 80-10-10 is followed.
    • 80% meat (muscle meat, heart, gizzards, tongue, etc.)
    • 10% bone
    • 10% organs, max 5% liver as it is too rich (pancreas, liver, spleen, trachea, esophagus, thymus, etc.)


    4. “Balance over time”. You do not need to go through the trouble and follow the 80-10-10 rule daily, rather, it should be over weeks and even months. In the wild, wolves will eat different parts of a large animal over days, some getting more muscle, while those at the bottom of the chain will only get the leftovers such as the organs.

    5. Runny poop is different from diarrhea. The latter is very liquid, watery explosions that are caused by disease or parasites. Tips to avoid runny poops:

    • Decrease the total amount of food
    • Increase the bone content
    • Increase the length of new meat intro
    • Cut off the fatty parts of the meat and save it for later
    • Introduce organs last


    6. Never feed beef bones and weight bearing bones of large animals as they are too dense and will only sit in your bully’s stomach. They are also tooth breakers. For my bullies, I avoid beef and pork bones to be safe but some here feed some parts such as riblets. Again, please research or ask before feeding anything suspicious.

    7. A lot of the nutrients disappear when you cook food. But it's not an uncommon practice. But remember that IT IS DANGEROUS TO GIVE OUR DOGS COOKED BONE. That's where people get confused. Cooking causes them to become brittle and splinter.

    8. At first, buy an inexpensive meat scale and weigh the daily portions. As time passes, you’ll find that you won’t need to continue to weigh and go by how your pup is doing.

    9. Unlike switching kibbles where there’s a transition period, your dog can quit kibble cold turkey and start the raw diet immediately.

    10. In the beginning, offer 2 meals a day for an adult dog, 3 meals for a pup under six months old, 4 meals for those that are under 4 months old and for tiny dogs. Once they are an adult (with the exception of toy/tiny dogs), you should be able to feed only once a day. Some owners recommend feeding at least twice a day for larger breeds such as great danes.

    11. Feed larger sized meat pieces. Avoid cutting them into smaller chunks or grinding them. By allowing your bully to chew, paw and work through the meat, he will get physical, mental and dental satisfaction. HOWEVER, most rawfeeders avoid giving pieces that are as big as their dog’s head. They consider these to be choking hazards as they are small enough to swallow whole and big enough to get stuck in the throat. Since our bulldogs tend to have bigger heads, the size range that I avoid is anything from as small as my fist (or half a fist for most guys) to the size of a chicken leg. I cut up any pieces in this range. Again, “Know Thy Dog” … IF IN DOUBT, CUT IT UP!

    12. It’s normal for your bully to regurgitate their food now and again. They will re-eat it after more crunching and chewing.


    13. Give 1 protein for at least one or two weeks, then introduce another after. Some owners do a transition period where they would add small pieces of the new to the old and gradually increase the new as the days pass.

    14. Read labels of all the protein you purchase. All meats must not be enhanced, flavoured, seasoned, etc and the sodium content must not exceed 100mg./4oz. Note that it is U.S. regulation that chicken cannot be enhanced.

    15. Bone is commonly used to control poop consistency. The more bone, the firmer the stool. In the beginning, it is suggested that you sway from the 80-10-10 rule until you and your bully find the best ratio. If you find that he has dry fossil poop, decrease the amount of bone, if it is runny or too soft, increase. As weeks pass, you may find that your bully can handle a boneless meal now and again.

    16. Most owners start with chicken as it is one of the cheaper meats, easy to obtain and bland as a protein. I started my bully with a chicken back. Some members here started with a leg quarter. Note that a leg quarter has 30% bone. You can also trim off the fats and skin to start to avoid runny stools.

    17. Do not be surprised if your bully poops or vomits small bone pieces from the previous meal in the beginning. Again, his stomach needs to go through an adjustment period and the occurrence should decrease or cease eventually.

    18. It is also not uncommon for them to vomit bile. The reasoning is similar to the above, especially if you decrease the amount of daily feedings.

    19. Rawfed dogs drink less water than kibble fed dogs as they get some of the intake from the meat.

    20. If after reading this you have more questions. PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO ASK. Knowledge is power … and for this instance, it’s for safety.

    21. Here are a few links that you may find useful. The one that I use the most is the Yahoo Rawfeeding group. It’s archive has a wealth of info and I would search if you have any specific questions as there’s a great likelihood that someone has already asked them.

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    Default Re: A question for raw feeders

    Hmm, I noticed it didn't really outline beef/pork bone varieties and what to avoid. I'll do a quick search again a little later. Hafta do some work here at work.
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    That is an AWESOME guide! Thank you so much! I'm hoping this will help her hair loss. Cephalexin hasn't helped at all... it's actually worse than when the vet came to see her. I joined a yahoo group a few days ago , but haven't gotten to look around as much as I would like. I read that they drink less water, but I don't think I've seen her drink at all for 2 days and am getting worried. We now leave it on the kitchen floor for her while we are at work, but it doesn't look like it is going down at all.
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    Default Re: A question for raw feeders

    Quote Originally Posted by Angelgirl View Post
    That is an AWESOME guide! Thank you so much! I'm hoping this will help her hair loss. Cephalexin hasn't helped at all... it's actually worse than when the vet came to see her. I joined a yahoo group a few days ago , but haven't gotten to look around as much as I would like. I read that they drink less water, but I don't think I've seen her drink at all for 2 days and am getting worried. We now leave it on the kitchen floor for her while we are at work, but it doesn't look like it is going down at all.
    I'm having the same worry with Roscoe. He's hardly drinking any water now. I think he's licked at it twice in the last two days.
    I'm hoping it will help with his face issues. It seems like no matter what food I try his face stays red and crusty.


    Thank you so much @savemejeebus for all your help! I'll try chicken quarters with him tonight and see if that will slow him down. He's always been a gulper with his kibble too. Silly boy acts like he hasn't eat in DAYS.

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    "i dont always freeze pork and never had a problem but its all down to personal choice,karen"
    I guess it's personal choice to put our animals at risk or not. Of course not all pork as worms, nor do worms always cause problems in healthy dogs, but the risk is still there, so I chose to avoid it as much as possible.
    There is risk in all types of feeding, I've seen dogs, choke and die eating kibble to fast, dogs have died from cooked bones, dogs have died from raw bones though much more rare than cooked. It's a risk we all take when we decide what to feed out beloved animals.

    I also freeze all salmonids (Trout, Steal-Head, Salmon etc.) for at least a few days do avoid Salmon poising which is caused by a lung fluke in the meat of Salmon again it's my choice to try and avoid these problems that can happen. Besides wild game I'll feed everything else fresh when I buy it, but I normally buy in bulk.



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    Default Re: A question for raw feeders

    Ok, I found another post that's useful. Still can't locate the one I read before, loved it because it listed all the different bones and meat. Going to keep on looking.
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    Default Re: A question for raw feeders

    i dont see that im putting my dog at risk,been 9 months raw feeding now ,all her meat is human grade and i do give her pork steak,i used to freeze but when you read up more on raw feeding and all the raw feeders who have raw fed for many years then you change the way you feed and dont panic as much,karen

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    Odd I've found the exact opposite to be true with 25+ year RAW feeders telling me to freeze certain foods. As I said there is risk at everything, and in healthy dogs worms don't always cause a problem, I just choose to try to avoid the risk. As I said I only make sure I freeze three items out of dozens I feed my dogs for extended times before feeding, pork, wild game, and salmonids.

    I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do, if I came off that way I apologize I'm just letting you/others know what could happen. I personally may be new to feeding my dogs Prey Model Raw at only three months into it, but I have worked with, spoken to, poeple that have fed raw longer than most, for 10+ years now.



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    Default Re: A question for raw feeders

    no apology needed,we all feed our dogs with different views on raw feed,i used to feed veg but after research i no longer do but i do feed a seed mixture for her coat /skin which i thought i would never do ,so we evolve when feeding raw,karen

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    Default Re: A question for raw feeders

    Quote Originally Posted by Angelgirl View Post
    @jortiz9758 Can you recommend a good meat grinder? I just started Belly on raw and would like to grind it. Most of them look pretty flimsy.
    The Grinder I use is one I got from a butcher friend of mine back when I was living in NY a while ago and Raw feeding my PitBulls. I still have it to this day. Its big and heavy and grinds everything.
    You can get something good at Bass Pro shops as someone stated.
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    Default Re: A question for raw feeders

    As long as the meat that you're feeding is RAW you can feed bone, the exception to this would be fish as an occasional cooked fish is ok as the bones do not splinter when cooked (do not feed weight bearing bones from large animal - cows, bison, horse, etc.) 80% Meat, 10% Bone, 5% Liver, and 5% other organ is the percentage that we try to follow each week. When I first started feeding raw we joined the raw feeding facebook page https://www.facebook.com/groups/261761471359/ which is part of the yahoo raw feed group. The people on the raw feed page are soooo helpful, if you haven't joined I would recommend doing so!

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