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    So my neighbor is a vet tech and she thought she saw blood when my female was urinating yesterday. She flipped her over & poked at her girly parts and low & behold a giant bladder stone popped out onto Lily's belly. After I recovered from the quick molestation of my poor bully baby, I was flipped out. She's been on meds for bladder infections in January and the beginning of February, they seemed to be gone, but now there are stones, so obviously things are not fixed.

    I thought I had read that some of you had bladder issues that cleared up with a food change (not prescription). I know we have to take her to the vet, but I'd like to hear the alternatives to the surgery this vet is likely going to put forth. We currently are on Blue Buffalo Salmon & Potato which we switched to because our male has poultry allergies. Any thoughts? Neither of them have exactly thrived on this food and Lily did much better on the old food. She doesn't really even like it (doesn't eat til she's starving, skipping meals, etc) and her bladder problems began at the time with the recall of Blue for Vitamin A overdosing or whatever in November/December. One of the side effects of the overdose was kidney calcification. My vet barely listened when I mentioned it.

    I'd love to hear your thoughts...
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    I am going through something a bit similar. Mocha has had a couple of Bladder infections( I just posted about a few days ago) The # one thing that was advised to me was to keep her vagina clean after she goes pee and make sure she drinks plenty of water. I do know that female bulldogs drag their lady part when they urinate and it makes sence to wipe them after peeing to avoid bacteria getting in. As for the food I will let someone else answer that because I wasnt aware of a recall of that food. I give Mocha Natural Balance LID and it has worked great with her. Another thing is my vets are not really good. I am always disapointed when i get out of there and I also gfeel they really dont listen. i have gotten in arguments an refuse to administer pills that I that I knew where not in the best intrest of Mocha. I can wait to hear more answers for you!
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    Default Re: Bulldogs & bladder stones

    I am not experienced with stones, but I have heard that they can be caused by too much protein (that is not utilized) in the diet.

    The protein levels in the food are low at 22%, (which is good) and was something I was concerned with. How much water does your bully drink? Did your vet discuss running another course of antibiotics?

    It would be interesting to know if that is the case with the Blue Buffalo. Was your bag available to you to check to see if you were a part of that recall? I also wonder about the quality of the food now that I am starting to see it advertised everywhere. Usually not a good sign to know that they are probably finding cheaper ingredient sources.

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    I am going to answer without doing research so I may be wrong.... But if my memory serves me correctly bladder stones are common in bulldogs and don't come from an infection. Since it is out, I would not rush to the vet, or change dog food. I would simply keep and eye on her to see if the blood continues or she passes anymore stones.
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    I am no help here .... as I have no experience in such things. I was going to tag desertskybulldogs but I see she's already answered, and the other name I would suggest as far as food and the connection to medical issues would be @Lindathedogsmaid.

    Sorry I can't be of more help ...

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    I knew someone who had a bulldog with bladder stones...There is a food for such problems. I know her dog had to have surgery though...Just sent her a PM through Facebook. When I hear back...I'll let you know more.
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    Okay...so my friend contacted me about her experience with bladder stones.
    we didnt correct anything, he had surgery to remove the stones.
    BUT, since the surgery we have had him on the prescription food and yes we give him distilled water. This was the 2nd time he had surgery for this problem....first time was before we got him.
    So they weren't able to correct it without surgery...but so far they've prevented more as of to date.
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    She is very obviously feeling better after passing the stone. We're waiting to see at the moment. We always have tons of water available to her, but we discussed the diet connection with our trainer (who's a giant golden retriever in people clothes) and he has had other clients who had issues on Salmon foods with bladder problems. We have since switched to a red meat feed that is grain free (Avo-derm). I'm not crazy about it since it has chicken fat as an ingredient and my male is allergic to chicken, but so far, there's been no issues. I'm watching him like a hawk.

    Lily, however, will walk over and just lick the bag she's so happy. She's enthusiastic about eating it and never waits to eat now. I know that she needs to go back in to the vet, but we're thinking very seriously about switching to Banfield in Petsmart for their even pay yearly plan. Then when I go through my Munchausen by puppy phase (my husband calls it that when I'm convinced the dogs are sick), I can just take them in and have them looked at to know they're doing well.

    I know Banfield has gotten a bad rap in places, but I've heard really good things about our local one. Anyone have stories to share? Anyone tried their year in a box service plan?

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    Fromm foods but no salmon- and always add fruit and veggies as they dilute the urine of acidity, and that causes crystals/stones, also add broth to daily water, to encourage drinking as Bulldogs never drink enough,(purebred Bulldogs)
    and of course NO DRY KIBBLE THAT HAS ORGAN MEAT IN IT --the only way to know that no organ meat is involved is to feed a pet food that guarantees in writing that it has only muscle meat!! like Fromm does.ANY pet food that the vets recommend is not good for Bulldogs-one and all-the only reason they recommend foods is that A -they have very little training in nutrition in college, and the pet food companies kick back money to those colleges for sales of said foods.and B--they believe what they are told by pet food companies--DO WE ????? NOT------
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindathedogsmaid View Post
    Fromm foods but no salmon- and always add fruit and veggies as they dilute the urine of acidity, and that causes crystals/stones, also add broth to daily water, to encourage drinking as Bulldogs never drink enough,(purebred Bulldogs)
    and of course NO DRY KIBBLE THAT HAS ORGAN MEAT IN IT --the only way to know that no organ meat is involved is to feed a pet food that guarantees in writing that it has only muscle meat!! like Fromm does.ANY pet food that the vets recommend is not good for Bulldogs-one and all-the only reason they recommend foods is that A -they have very little training in nutrition in college, and the pet food companies kick back money to those colleges for sales of said foods.and B--they believe what they are told by pet food companies--DO WE ????? NOT------
    I wouldn't say all food a vet recommends is not good for bulldogs. I would assume each practice is different though. My vet practice all swear by Taste of the Wild. Which is a 5 star rating [going with the lower end of protein variety] We switched vets and dog food. This new vet practice swears by TOTW and we've had great success with it so far. ***knocking on wood. Now the old practice we used to use...had us feeding prescription food.

    @Hidapriscila
    She is very obviously feeling better after passing the stone
    I was under the assumption with talking with my friend...Bladder stones must be operated on...Kidney stones can be passed if small enough. Ahhh here I did a google search...Dogs typically have bladder stones... I would suggest you take a look at the article. For it can cause later life threatening issues in not resolved.

    Technically speaking, these stones don't really pose an immediate threat to the overall health of the dog. But if it is left ignored for a long period of time, it may lead to renal failure and pyelonephritis. Pyelonephritis is a type of urinary tract infection that has reached the pelvis and the kidneys.
    Some bladder stones can be treated with oral medications. However, if your dog has calcium oxalate stones, drugs will prove to be useless. Calcium oxalate stones cannot be dissolved with any type of medicine. In order to remove them, surgery is necessary.
    Bladder Stones Infections In Dogs Symptoms And Treatment

    My thoughts on using a vet practice that is connected to a pet store...I always asked myself...WHO THOUGHT OF THIS IDEA!?! People bring puppies that are not fully vaccinated into pet stores...I always worry about PARVO...a friend of mine lost their 2 yr. old dog to Parvo and it was FULLY VACCINATED!!! That is scary stuff...so we no longer take our dogs to pet stores. It's just not worth the risk. But...I always worry too if someone is bringing in an extremely sickly dog...does the store then disinfect well enough to get rid of the illness from their doors to the vet practice that is inside? But again...just my opinion...I've heard nothing either way.
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    having a bulldog vet --and I repete-a vet that specializes in Bulldogs) will want you to put the dogn prescription food for the rest of its life, NO --food off teh shelves other than the vets office,--HOWEVER- i HAVE MADE THE DOGS FOOD FOR WEEKS until the crystals were gone, but -now stones are a different matter!!! the dog must not eat a calcium from meat, cottage cheese, is the protein of choice, and brown rice, but you will also need to figure out the vitamins, I have a 76 pounder who got 2 tsp a day of liquid children's vitamins, and a calcium tab 500mgs 1 x a day (made from oyster shells) I did this for 2 weeks and got rid of the crystals. but stones are rarely small enough to get rid of with meds. and surgery is spendy-- the way to keep stones from happening is lots of water,with a bit of meat broth in it to encourage drinking. do not forget when you are reading things online--who paid for the research?? and who paid for the article.
    and I repeat-- a taste of teh wild is NOT -- a bulldog food- and any vet who recommends it has a monetary reason. you can feed a bulldog any food, and sometimes get away with out it puking it up, but you will be causing silent damage to that dog on the inside, and in about 4 to 6 years we will get that dog into rescue because of the organ,and internal damage that will have been done,and will show up then, and it's for life! chronic life long problems. you need to listen to people who rescue and they will tell you. 99% of the dogs we get surrendered are because of food being fed that is causing the high vet bills down the road. we know what foods have been fed by us all over the years. and every day foods are being improved on , by good companies like Fromm who care about quality not profit.if you would like I can set an example of how many reviews by the truth about pet foods the taste of the wild has had. are a new company just a few years old, and less than 15 or so years is a new company, and they havent had the research done enough to qualify as a great food that is the same at all times over the years. a taste of the wild uses a marketing strategy that makes you think we have wolves as dogs. --dogs have been so out of the wolf state for centuries. and cannot be fed accordingly as such.not to many folks buy into that theory anymore thank god.if you must feed anything besides Fromm, make it Natures variety, it is the next best thing for bulldogs,
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    @Lindathedogsmaid

    I find it REALLY hard to believe that only two foods are worth feeding...And that you "know" that I'm causing long term damage to my dogs by feeding anything other than those two foods mentioned.

    Rescue is a good organization...and I am friends with a few who have started bulldog rescues. And I've NEVER had them tell me my dogs will end up in rescue over damage I'm causing them from the food I'm feeding them. I don't wish to argue but think that is pretty strong statement without having anything to base your opinion on. I do NOT feed my dogs food because I feel they are wolves either.

    If it's such a bad dog food...why is it found on the nutritional section as a five star food?
    ~ Darlene: 20+ years of being owned by bulldogs. But I can still learn something new from forums and other people's experiences.

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