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    Default Ammonium urate crystals

    Has anyone had any experience with this type of stone in there bulldog please?


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    Default Re: Ammonium urate crystals

    Hang on someone will answer you. @oscarmayer knows a lot on this issue.

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    I have had a bulldog with urate stones. Your bully most likely hs a genetic disorder called Hyperuricosuria. All dalmatians are affected, so it's treatable, but it can not be cured. I would advice you to buy an electricl pH meter and monitor his urine pH. Urate crystals and later stones form in acidic urine so you need to try to keep it neutral at round 6,5-7,5. Easiest way to manage this is to buy the food that is meant for dalmatians. You can also raise the pH level with normal baking soda. I use to give my bully some baking soda 3 times a day. It's important that you don't give him anything with organs or other foods that are high in purines. This link has great info about the disease.

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    Default Re: Ammonium urate crystals

    Quote Originally Posted by RiiSi View Post
    I have had a bulldog with urate stones. Your bully most likely hs a genetic disorder called Hyperuricosuria. All dalmatians are affected, so it's treatable, but it can not be cured. I would advice you to buy an electricl pH meter and monitor his urine pH. Urate crystals and later stones form in acidic urine so you need to try to keep it neutral at round 6,5-7,5. Easiest way to manage this is to buy the food that is meant for dalmatians. You can also raise the pH level with normal baking soda. I use to give my bully some baking soda 3 times a day. It's important that you don't give him anything with organs or other foods that are high in purines. This link has great info about the disease.

    DogAware.com Articles: Urate, Cystine and Less Common Urinary Stones
    Thanks riissi it's my friends bully, the vet has advised they feed royal canin u/c and an operation at some point to have them removed as the food doesn't dissolve them. Which is the best ph meter to buy? She won't eat the r/c, she doesn't like dry biscuits and prefers to have a meat topper on the food my friend tells me she asked the vets about wet food but r/c don't do this type of food in wet do you know if there's anything else she can give other the r/c?


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    If they are in the crystal state they most likely will flush out if the urine stays as neutral as possible and new ones don't develope in neutral urine. Since it's a bitch you're in a better place than if it would be a male. Most likely she doesn't need an operation. I'm not familiar with wet foods, but home cooking is a great option. In the link that I posted there is advice on feeding as well. You can buy the meters on line. Just google "ph meter electrical" and pick one. I gave 1 teaspoon of baking soda a day(devided in 3 portions) for my bully, but you have to experiment on the dosage with that female.

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    From what I read the ideal urine pH is 7 or up to 7.5. I think Hills makes a canned food called Hills prescription diet u/d . Most important thing is that dog drinks a lot of fluid. If the dog won't eat the prescription diet you could also try Honest Kitchen Preference base mix topped with egg and cheese, chicken and turkey, lamb,pork,beef, some fish and shellfish with the exception of the ones below:
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    Organ meats – kidneys, livers, brains, hearts, sweetbreads, etc.
    Game meats such as venison and goose
    High-purine seafoods – sardines, mackerel, mussels, and scallops
    High-purine vegetables – cauliflower, spinach, peas, mushrooms, and legumes (kidney beans, navy & lima beans, lentils)
    Yeast (including brewer's yeast)
    Gravies

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    Thank-you, my friend has been intouch with the breeder and it turns out that the dam is huu clear although the sire is a carrier he wasn't tested till may 14 which is after he sired that litter you'd of thought they'd test for this before they put him out for breeding and to think he comes from a show home, has many champs under his belt including best of his breed at crufts you just never know these days


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    If the dam is clear there can not be any affected puppys, only carriers. 50/50 chance per puppy.

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    Oh that's weird, would the dam have to be a carrier to pass on to the pups? the culture from lab said the Urnie was extremely crystallised when they tested it


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    If you mte carrier to carrier then there's a 25% chance for the pup to be affected. Clear to carrier 50/50 clear/carrier, no affected. You can even mate an affected dog to a clear one and only get 100% carriers. Are you sue the crystals are urates? There are quite few different kinds. Liver shunt is also one reason for a dog to develope urates and that is more serious, but is normally the reason for bullys.

    LABOKLIN (UK)| Genetic Diseases | Dogs| Hyperuricosuria / Urate Stones (HUU, SLC)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiiSi View Post
    If you mte carrier to carrier then there's a 25% chance for the pup to be affected. Clear to carrier 50/50 clear/carrier, no affected. You can even mate an affected dog to a clear one and only get 100% carriers. Are you sue the crystals are urates? There are quite few different kinds. Liver shunt is also one reason for a dog to develope urates and that is more serious, but is normally the reason for bullys.

    LABOKLIN (UK)| Genetic Diseases | Dogs| Hyperuricosuria / Urate Stones (HUU, SLC)
    Thanks riissi, yes they where defiantly urates she got the vet to write the name down of the crystals as she was unable to remember the name of them, she'd previously had a Tumor removed from her ovary could it be that's what was causing it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ruby View Post
    Thank-you, my friend has been intouch with the breeder and it turns out that the dam is huu clear although the sire is a carrier he wasn't tested till may 14 which is after he sired that litter you'd of thought they'd test for this before they put him out for breeding and to think he comes from a show home, has many champs under his belt including best of his breed at crufts you just never know these days


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    The pup I am getting at the end of the month has type III cystinuria and comes from a breeder of a show home. Both parents are champions and the dad has won best of breed in Seattle and came in 2nd place at Westminster. It's hard to understand how these things work. Good luck to your friend!

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