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    Default Re: Soft Palate Surgery - Mandatory for All English Bulldogs

    I read the article and maybe I didn't read deep enough but it seems to me it does not say mandatory. It says that if your dog can't breathe it is necessary to undergo the procedure for the well being of your dog. I agree with that statement. Now I haven't personally opted for the procedure because Fezzik does not have severe symptoms so for me it is something to evaluate with a vet and people that I trust. I would opt for the procedure if his breathing severely impacted him and that was the cause.

    "To properly care for a bulldog, soft palate resection is perhaps the most necessary procedure, dramatically improving their comfort level. When dogs canít breathe well because this long, droopy piece of surplus flesh clogs the opening to the larynx, itís a must."

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    Default Re: Soft Palate Surgery - Mandatory for All English Bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by Baxter Tiberius View Post
    Thanks everyone. The reason I even looked this up last night was because Baxter has been doing that whole "dry heaving/gagging/throwing up motion" without anything coming out. So I started googling what that could be, and the palate issue came up. He also has pretty significant sleep apnea. So he will stop breathing for extended periods of time while he's laying next to me.

    It happens so much that I now have a gentle command I say out loud "breathe", and in his sleep he will respond to that command to begin breathing again. I can only imagine how many times in the night he deprives his brain of oxygen because of this when I'm not there. The obstructed airway is also part of this issue, isn't it?

    Of course like any other English bulldog, he struggles for at least a half hour just to cool down. Also, any dry food, he will throw it up and gag. And if he gets into any really active play, he will sometimes vomit of just the foam. Which is also apparently related to the palate obstruction and his saliva getting all mixed in there.

    Does it sound like he needs this procedure?
    What you explain does seem Baxter at least needs to be evaluated as the systems scream palate issues


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    Hi All, I am new to the site. I have a 9 year old Olde English Bulldog, Dozer. We bought him when he was 3. We most likely 'saved' him from the previous owner who kept him outside...here in AZ. We have spoiled and loved him greatly, fed him better than we feed ourselves. I was told 2 years ago, he has collapsed trachea. He doesnt go on long walks . He is not getting better. The heavy breathing makes his snorting sound much louder and he is just getting exhausted (obviously) from little oxygen. I cant have guests over due to his anxities and demand of attention that is has naturally. He is a 80lb boy. I took him last year to consult for a surgeon. However due to his age, they dont think he would make it. And the surgury cost $6K.. IS that the cost ? I want to get a 2nd opinion and am seeking a bulldog specialist out here.
    He too does the same if fed dry food, he will vomit and tip of hi tongue will turn almost black. He yawns alot, and started doing this new thing with his tongue and has started coughing a bit. So I in high need of getting some resolve for him. I will not see him suffer. I asked the vet to prescribe oxygen, he wont do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetDozer View Post
    He is a 80lb boy.
    Have you tried helping him lower his weight first?

    You should be able to see a narrowing at the waist of an english bulldog if they are proper weight (no offense to anyone here promise!). But the weight issue will make the breathing 10x worse. I've kept Baxters weight down and he's still having these issues. If he was 80lbs he would literally have 25lbs to lose before I'd evaluate his health in any capacity.

    This isn't baxter but its what i understand to be a healthy weight for an english bulldog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetDozer View Post
    Hi All, I am new to the site. I have a 9 year old Olde English Bulldog, Dozer. We bought him when he was 3. We most likely 'saved' him from the previous owner who kept him outside...here in AZ. We have spoiled and loved him greatly, fed him better than we feed ourselves. I was told 2 years ago, he has collapsed trachea. He doesnt go on long walks . He is not getting better. The heavy breathing makes his snorting sound much louder and he is just getting exhausted (obviously) from little oxygen. I cant have guests over due to his anxities and demand of attention that is has naturally. He is a 80lb boy. I took him last year to consult for a surgeon. However due to his age, they dont think he would make it. And the surgury cost $6K.. IS that the cost ? I want to get a 2nd opinion and am seeking a bulldog specialist out here.
    He too does the same if fed dry food, he will vomit and tip of hi tongue will turn almost black. He yawns alot, and started doing this new thing with his tongue and has started coughing a bit. So I in high need of getting some resolve for him. I will not see him suffer. I asked the vet to prescribe oxygen, he wont do that.
    Lessening his weight could help until you find a bulldog vet get the second opinion and schedule. Cut his amount in half and make the other half amount green beans. Example, if you feed 1 cup per mean .... 1/2 cup kibble and other half is green beans to total the cup. I did this with my girl when she needed to lose 10 pounds and she dropped in what seemed like no time at all.

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    Default Re: Soft Palate Surgery - Mandatory for All English Bulldogs

    Like everyone said weight loss first. Any dog or pet even humans, if you're over weight there is a big risk you'll have breathing issues. If dry food is a problem, try moisten the food with real broth which will give him calcium, minerals which he needs.

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    @KimDe is right - the article doesn't actually say that soft palate surgery should be mandatory. However, the writer says many bulldogs are likely to need it, and she's a vet with a vet surgeon boyfriend so of course she's in favour of doing this surgery.
    @Baxter Tiberius Castor went through the procedure (they widened his nares too) when he was 1.5 years old. I suggest you take your dog to a good veterinary hospital for an evaluation, and if they want to do the operation, compare the price with another place and perhaps ask for a second opinion if you are uncertain. The vet needs to be a good surgeon, obviously, but it's also important that the procedure is done at a hospital with 24/7 care as the dog might need to stay overnight because there is a risk of swelling and then they will need to perform tracheotomy (they shaved Castor's chest in case there would be these post surgery complications). Everything went fine, though, and we picked him up the following day. There are many dogs on EBN who have gone through soft palate surgery and there is a lot of information here.

    At least in our case it wasn't a question of whether we should do anything about Castor's gagging and panting or not but rather what needed to be done to give him back the full and active life he had before the problems started at the age of 1.

    Regarding weight, I'm not sure the problems per se have to do with weight - Castor is a slim guy and weighs about lbs 44 - but surgery I believe is more complicated.


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    Default Re: Soft Palate Surgery - Mandatory for All English Bulldogs

    Well bred English Bulldogs do not need pallet surgery. I have never had it done on any of my bulldogs, nor have any of the pups we have had ever needed this procedure, and we live in one of the hottest places on earth!

    But yes, there are a huge vast number of poorly bred bulldogs as well as bulldogs whose genetic predisposition will creep up on an unexpecting litter, and having pallet surgery can greatly increase their breathing.

    Under precaution though, never 'dive' into a pallet surgery without getting xrays done, your bulldog who can't breathe well could have a very small treachea which could be the vast reason behind their breathing trouble. Make sure you get a well informed decision before doing ANY surgical procedure on your bulldogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2BullyMama View Post
    Lessening his weight could help until you find a bulldog vet get the second opinion and schedule. Cut his amount in half and make the other half amount green beans. Example, if you feed 1 cup per mean .... 1/2 cup kibble and other half is green beans to total the cup. I did this with my girl when she needed to lose 10 pounds and she dropped in what seemed like no time at all.

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    I didn't really read the article just went off comments but no not all dogs are "one size fits all". My girl has ZERO health problems (knock on wood) but she can breathe fine, withstand the heat (within reason), doesn't really snort or drool, and because she has a little bit longer tail doesn't have a tail pocket (fine by me!). She also has no allergies so far. I probably just got lucky but she does have a decent lineage. She is almost 16 months. Also I do believe weight is a large factor and large nose ropes. While I do like the ropes I think they hinder a lot of their breathing. My girl has a much smaller "split" rope so that could be why she is ok. Here she is sleeping while sitting up lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxter Tiberius View Post
    Of course like any other English bulldog, he struggles for at least a half hour just to cool down. Also, any dry food, he will throw it up and gag. And if he gets into any really active play, he will sometimes vomit of just the foam.
    Judging only from your detailed description I'd say he's a candidate. Have him evaluated by a competent "Bulldog" vet. Recovery is quick and the payoffs are immediate and well worth the $ spent.

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    Regards to his weight, he is an OLDE English bulldogge . He is fed twice a day with prescription food and salmon.
    " Olde English Bulldogge is generally 18-20 inches high for males and 17-18 inches high for females. Females typically weigh between 50-70 pounds whereas males typically weigh between 65-85 pounds"
    His weight is not the issue. He sees a very good vet. Thank you.

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