Bodies all broken out AGAIN...Poor baby, wish I could find a cure-all

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Thanks everyone for the well wishes and all the info. This has been an ongoing struggle for close to 3-31/2 years. It's not demodectiic mange, tested regularly! He does have allergies, tested= grass(all kinds), dust and storage mites. We don't believe him to have any food allergies. He's on a grain free, no gluten, no by-products, no fillers diet. He eats Merrick duck and sweet potato. We live in eastern nc, he's been to NC State dermatologists twice, and seen many specialists many times. The sores on his body are from bacterial infections from allergies. We have a VERY close standing w/our vet, he's currently back on antibiotics, which after 5-6 weeks of, he usually clears up, but the amount of time he stays clear is varied and limited. Average is a month. Then all of a sudden, he'll break out overnight w/12-15 spots, then they just spread over his body. He is VERY itchy, currently he's taking Temaril-P for that. It does contain small amounts of prednisone, so he can't take it for extended amounts of time. He gets a medicated, antifungal, antibacterial bath once a week, per vet orders, and his sores are cleaned daily w/a flush. In the past he was put on Atopica, cyclosporine modified, after 6-8 months, there was ZERO difference, he continued to break out. Along w/the bacteria, we also deal w/yeast, gets worse when he's on antibiotics. His bedding is 100% cotton, and the humidity in our home never gets above 60%.
So, we've done and continue to do everything we've been told to do, but nothing seems to work. At least nothing seems to work and stay working...


BullyLove!!!
It probably sounds weird but did you try to cut out sweet potatoes?! My Gia has a bad reaction to sweet potatoes which is not a common allergy. Thankfully it never got that bad. Good luck with your baby I hope he feels better.


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Bodie was on Atopica, it didn't help at all..no Change whatsoever, and he was still breaking out while on the Atopica. When we chose to go on the Atopica we were told it was either the Atopica, which has a 98% chance of working or the desensitizing injections which were only a 50% chance. So obviously we chose the Atopica! Of course, Bodie had to be part of the 2%!!


BullyLove!!!

Oh poor guy! That's awful! I don't know if I could go through that. I feel so bad for you and Brodie. I was just at the dermatologist last month and she told me there is now another drug that just got approved that they were having tremendous results with but Lola was too young for it. She said they would not give it to a pup under a year. I forgot the name though but it is a different type of immunosupressant. If Lola's allergies are not under control after 6 months of desensitization shots that is the drug she will go on (or atopica). I am so scared to think what we would do if the drugs don't work.
As far as kibble, Lola was so allergic to the dust mites in the dog food that I could not even bring her into the PetSmart for her puppy classes because she would immediately turn into a tomato with bloody looking eyelids from all the kibble dust around. I switched her to raw and she improved. It did not go away but it reduced the welts and redness on her skin by half. Nothing with feathers, I was told unless it is duck. We use Nature's Variety Instinct raw patties.
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Oh poor guy! That's awful! I don't know if I could go through that. I feel so bad for you and Brodie. I was just at the dermatologist last month and she told me there is now another drug that just got approved that they were having tremendous results with but Lola was too young for it. She said they would not give it to a pup under a year. I forgot the name though but it is a different type of immunosupressant. If Lola's allergies are not under control after 6 months of desensitization shots that is the drug she will go on (or atopica). I am so scared to think what we would do if the drugs don't work.
As far as kibble, Lola was so allergic to the dust mites in the dog food that I could not even bring her into the PetSmart for her puppy classes because she would immediately turn into a tomato with bloody looking eyelids from all the kibble dust around. I switched her to raw and she improved. It did not go away but it reduced the welts and redness on her skin by half. Nothing with feathers, I was told unless it is duck. We use Nature's Variety Instinct raw patties.
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Poor baby!
Yea Our vet told us about the new drug too. However, she also told us that she went to order it for another patient a week prior to her telling me about it and it was on backorder, vet said she thinks its because they are going to jack the price way up on it. Which is ridiculous! It was supposedly much cheaper than Atopica, which is very expensive. Bodie was on the 100mg pills, 1 a day. For 30 pills it was right at $150 monthly. And that was buying them through a vet dermatologist that orders in bulk so they're able to offer big discounts to buyers. I believe they were $68 per box(box contains 15pills). Our local vets cost for 1 box of the 20mg pills was like $120, I can't imagine what the cost was for the 100mg pills from them!!


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Poor baby!
Yea Our vet told us about the new drug too. However, she also told us that she went to order it for another patient a week prior to her telling me about it and it was on backorder, vet said she thinks its because they are going to jack the price way up on it. Which is ridiculous! It was supposedly much cheaper than Atopica, which is very expensive. Bodie was on the 100mg pills, 1 a day. For 30 pills it was right at $150 monthly. And that was buying them through a vet dermatologist that orders in bulk so they're able to offer big discounts to buyers. I believe they were $68 per box(box contains 15pills). Our local vets cost for 1 box of the 20mg pills was like $120, I can't imagine what the cost was for the 100mg pills from them!!


BullyLove!!!

I wonder if it would be possible to get the name that it is used for human consumption and have the vet prescribe it that way. I bet it would be cheaper. One time my vet was of of a particulate antihistamine he wanted to try on Lola so he wrote me a prescription for the human generic. Even though my insurance would not cover an Rx written out for a dog and I had to pay out of pocket, it was still way cheaper than at the vet or even 1800 petmeds.
Atopica is actually a drug called cyclosporin for humans. It can be prescribed for people with the dose then cut into doggie size. I wonder if your vet would be willing to do that with the new drug. I know how expensive this stuff is. We have already spent $2000 on Lola's allergies and we have only had her for 5 months.
 

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I believe [MENTION=860]sheshistory[/MENTION] got cyclosporine from her pharmacy instead of atopcia.


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I believe [MENTION=860]sheshistory[/MENTION] got cyclosporine from her pharmacy instead of atopcia.


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Yep, Truman is on cyclosporine (every day during allergy season, every other day during regular season) and it is $55 per month supply - delivered to my house. Well worth the cost of Truman's comfort.

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My fathers past poodle mix had a very similar issue. He would break out within time with very similar looking sores. Some would even ooze! I cannot recall what treatment they did, which worked. I do recall that it was related to some type of skin mite. The meds were injections. I'll try to see if my father recalls the med name when I visit this weekend.


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Freezing kills mites, cooking kills mites and you don't store the food after thawing or cooking. So you can at least limit the amount that goes strait in to his digestive system.


I know that storage mites are in EVERYTHING!! So even if we put him on cooked or raw, would that really make a difference since the mites are not just in the kibble? Same with the dust mites, I heard recently that in every speck of dust there's like 5000 dust mites...


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I wonder if it would be possible to get the name that it is used for human consumption and have the vet prescribe it that way. I bet it would be cheaper. One time my vet was of of a particulate antihistamine he wanted to try on Lola so he wrote me a prescription for the human generic. Even though my insurance would not cover an Rx written out for a dog and I had to pay out of pocket, it was still way cheaper than at the vet or even 1800 petmeds.
Atopica is actually a drug called cyclosporin for humans. It can be prescribed for people with the dose then cut into doggie size. I wonder if your vet would be willing to do that with the new drug. I know how expensive this stuff is. We have already spent $2000 on Lola's allergies and we have only had her for 5 months.
Yea, we've had to have quite a few different prescriptions for Bodie filled at our local pharmacies.
We actually had to have the vet call it in to the pharmacy once because the shipment was list in the mail and I didn't want the drug to completely leave his system. It was actually more expensive than what I paid for it from the vet! However, I did get them to price match. But either way, it didn't work for Bodie. I actually still have 29 of the "human" form and a few of the Atopica left in my freezer...a lot of good they're doing!! I'm not sure what the name of the new drug that's been approved is?


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Freezing kills mites, cooking kills mites and you don't store the food after thawing or cooking. So you can at least limit the amount that goes strait in to his digestive system.

Gotcha! I don't know a lot about raw or cooked for dogs. Something ill have to research! Thanks!!


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My fathers past poodle mix had a very similar issue. He would break out within time with very similar looking sores. Some would even ooze! I cannot recall what treatment they did, which worked. I do recall that it was related to some type of skin mite. The meds were injections. I'll try to see if my father recalls the med name when I visit this weekend.


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Sounds like a plan! Thanks!


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Yep, Truman is on cyclosporine (every day during allergy season, every other day during regular season) and it is $55 per month supply - delivered to my house. Well worth the cost of Truman's comfort.

Big hugs to your baby!

I don't understand why so many medications are so expensive? Extremely ridiculous!! I wish the Atopica would've worked for Bodie, trust me, we would've continued to find a way to pay the $150 a month for him to be better!! He just didn't respond to it....u said u pay $55 monthly? What milligram is that? We searched high and low to find it at a lower cost and the $68/box from our vet was the cheapest! And there's only 15 pills per box, so we had to buy 2 boxes per month. Even the human form was more expensive!


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I don't understand why so many medications are so expensive? Extremely ridiculous!! I wish the Atopica would've worked for Bodie, trust me, we would've continued to find a way to pay the $150 a month for him to be better!! He just didn't respond to it....u said u pay $55 monthly? What milligram is that? We searched high and low to find it at a lower cost and the $68/box from our vet was the cheapest! And there's only 15 pills per box, so we had to buy 2 boxes per month. Even the human form was more expensive!


BullyLove!!!

It's 125 mg capsules. I can give you our pharmacy's name ... they ship!

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Yea, we've had to have quite a few different prescriptions for Bodie filled at our local pharmacies.
We actually had to have the vet call it in to the pharmacy once because the shipment was list in the mail and I didn't want the drug to completely leave his system. It was actually more expensive than what I paid for it from the vet! However, I did get them to price match. But either way, it didn't work for Bodie. I actually still have 29 of the "human" form and a few of the Atopica left in my freezer...a lot of good they're doing!! I'm not sure what the name of the new drug that's been approved is?


BullyLove!!!

I found it! It's called Apoquel. My vet (not dermatologist) was raving about it, saying that it beat Atopica in tests. He had just returned from a conference on it. The dermatologist just told me that she would not consider it for Lola until she was at least a year old. Here is a link about it:
http://news.zoetis.com/press-releas...lacitinib-tablet-control-itch-and-inflammatio
 

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