Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 12 of 13

Thread: Adopted a Bulldog, Previous Owner Wants to Stud Him

  1. #1
    Newbie Jeff Walden's Avatar
    Real Name
    Jeff
    Country
    USA
    Location
    California / Wisconsin
    Posts
    2
    Bulldog(s) Names
    Winston
    Likes (Received)
    0

    Default Adopted a Bulldog, Previous Owner Wants to Stud Him

    Hi everyone! I'm new here so if I managed to post this in the incorrect category, you won't offend me by moving it around.

    Last month I adopted Winston, an 11 month old English Bulldog. His previous owners have two other bulldogs, both female. The intention was to stud Winston with the younger of their females. They asked me not to neuter him for 9-12 months while they made sure that Lola was ready. Okay, no problem - I agreed.

    About two weeks after bringing Winston home I took him to my vet for a routine exam just to make sure that he didn't see anything I should be concerned about. Turns out that I should have felt up my dog because only one of his testicals had descended. I guess I just didn't look closely enough at his balls given that I am a firm believer in having my pets neutered anyway. The vet strongly recommended that I have him neutered as soon as possible to prevent further complications and to avoid cancer. I explained the agreement I have with his previous owners and he grew even more concerned as he explained to me that not only should Winston not be studded because he only has use of one ball, but the fact that one hasn't yet descended is a genetic problem and shouldn't be bred into future litters. He used bigger words, but that was his point.

    I called the previous owners and asked them if they knew about this. I also wanted to know if they still had any intention of studding Winston now that they know he has a genetic condition and even without the genetic condition only has a single ball to work with which is less than ideal. To my utter surprise, they brushed it off. I was told that they spoke with their vet and as long as Winston is neutered before two years of age he will be just fine. They aren't at all worried about his genetic condition because it's recessive and as long as Lola isn't a carrier, there won't be a problem. I was literally left speechless.

    At the end of the day, I don't feel comfortable allowing Winston to be studded out when I know he has a genetic condition that if at all possible should not be passed on. On the other hand, I have a gentlemen's agreement with them that I would not neuter him and allow him to be studded one time for their own use. I'm really torn here and not sure what to do.

    Does anybody know any more about Winston's situation that my vet didn't tell me? Maybe it's not as serious as he was letting on. Maybe it is and his previous owners are downplaying the situation to get what they want. I'm really looking for any advice and medical knowledge that will help me to know I'm making the correct choice.

    Either way, Winston is getting neutered. It's just a matter of when that is going to happen: this month or ten months from now.

    Thanks!
    Jeff

  2. #2
    I'm not OCD....now who moved my bulldog? I am an EBN Reporter
    Become a 4 Paw Member
    I Have Earned Community Veteran Status!
    Need help with the forums?  Contact me!
    2BullyMama's Avatar
    Real Name
    Christine
    Country
    USA
    Location
    Gilbertsville, PA
    Posts
    40,196
    Bulldog(s) Names
    Lambeau, Chelios (Frenchie), Nitschke (2004-2011) and Banks (2005-2014)
    Trophies
    Likes (Received)
    11537

    Default Re: Adopted a Bulldog, Previous Owner Wants to Stud Him

    Hi Jeff, welcome to EBN. Going to tag a few members that might be able to help
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    There is a part of your heart not alive until a bulldog has entered your lif
    e.

    Nitschke (2004-2011) and Banks (2005-2014) -- My angels
    Thank you for all the love, fun and teachings




  3. #3
    Dog Groomer babybully's Avatar
    Real Name
    Veronica
    Country
    USA
    Location
    Great Lakes, North Chicago
    Posts
    513
    Bulldog(s) Names
    Cleo, 2 1/2, and Mac, 2
    Likes (Received)
    1

    Default Re: Adopted a Bulldog, Previous Owner Wants to Stud Him

    Hi Jeff! Welcome to EBN. I also have male that had an eye defect (severe entropion) and so we had him neutered at the time of his eye surgery so I understand your concerns. Do you have any type of written agreement with the previous owners that could result in them taking you to court for not allowing the breeding to happen? If not, then it really is your choice right? I wish you and Winston the best and hope it drops soon? LOL

  4. #4
    Newbie Jeff Walden's Avatar
    Real Name
    Jeff
    Country
    USA
    Location
    California / Wisconsin
    Posts
    2
    Bulldog(s) Names
    Winston
    Likes (Received)
    0

    Default Re: Adopted a Bulldog, Previous Owner Wants to Stud Him

    Two surgeries in one day? Sounds like your guy got a whole lot of TLC in a short amount of time. Hope he recovered okay!

    There is no written agreement, so legally I'm free to do whatever I feel is in the best interest of Winston - which I firmly believe is the priority that should come first anyway. That being said, we did have a gentlemen's agreement that I would hold off neutering him for a year until they could breed Lola. Though this agreement was made before I knew that Winston had a medical reason to be neutered sooner than later.

    If it doesn't drop soon, does anyone else have experience with this and if it could cause any problems? Oh man, poor guys balls are the topic of conversation all over the internet now!

  5. #5
    Founder of Bulldog Addicts Anonymous Become a 4 Paw Member
    I Have Earned Community Veteran Status!
    Manydogs's Avatar
    Real Name
    Lynn
    Country
    U.S.A.
    Location
    Tennessee
    Posts
    10,652
    Bulldog(s) Names
    Maudee,Martha,Lizzie,Bro.Katie
    Likes (Received)
    6687

    Default Re: Adopted a Bulldog, Previous Owner Wants to Stud Him

    Hello and welcome to EBN! I know that it IS wrong to use a dog for breeding with a retained testicle. It is a genetic fault. It can become cancerous. Your "sellers" sound like they are only interested in having puppies to make some cash, and not concerned with improving or protecting the integrity of the breed. If Winston is officially your dog, and you were unaware of his condition when you made the unwritten agreement, therefore the agreement (since they surely knew the problem with the dog) should be voided. They were dishonest from the beginning. I wouldn't worry about them-just YOUR dog. Even in court,, you would probably win, as they had the dog (I assume) for all these months and must have known his condition. I had a tiny toy poodle, whom I had bought as a baby-intending to use him for breeding. He, too wound up having an undescended testicle, and I had the surgery done, and I had paid quite a bit of money to buy him. I would not breed him. He was a pet and a loved one.
    It is possible that his testicle could still drop-but odds are against it.
    "
    “It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough,all the components of my heart will be dog,and I will become as generous and loving as they are"

  6. #6
    Owner/Administrator Become a 4 Paw Member
    I Have Earned Community Veteran Status!
    bullmama's Avatar
    Real Name
    Lisa
    Country
    USA
    Location
    Tucson, Arizona
    Posts
    25,362
    Bulldog(s) Names
    The Home of the Desert Sky Pack
    Trophies
    Likes (Received)
    2312
    Blog Entries
    7

    Default Re: Adopted a Bulldog, Previous Owner Wants to Stud Him

    Quote Originally Posted by Manydogs View Post
    Hello and welcome to EBN! I know that it IS wrong to use a dog for breeding with a retained testicle. It is a genetic fault. It can become cancerous. Your "sellers" sound like they are only interested in having puppies to make some cash, and not concerned with improving or protecting the integrity of the breed. If Winston is officially your dog, and you were unaware of his condition when you made the unwritten agreement, therefore the agreement (since they surely knew the problem with the dog) should be voided. They were dishonest from the beginning. I wouldn't worry about them-just YOUR dog. Even in court,, you would probably win, as they had the dog (I assume) for all these months and must have known his condition. I had a tiny toy poodle, whom I had bought as a baby-intending to use him for breeding. He, too wound up having an undescended testicle, and I had the surgery done, and I had paid quite a bit of money to buy him. I would not breed him. He was a pet and a loved one.
    It is possible that his testicle could still drop-but odds are against it.
    I agree, also make sure you get written documentation from your vet and probably another one that it is being done for medical purposes and the health of your boy.

    Everyday is a party when you own a bulldog!
    CLICK HERE to Sponsor a rescue Bulldog!

  7. #7
    Dog Show Judge Become a 4 Paw Member
    I Have Earned Community Veteran Status!
    Need help with the forums?  Contact me!
    Petra's Avatar
    Real Name
    Petra van der Walt
    Country
    Sweden
    Location
    Naboomspruit, South Africa.
    Posts
    2,880
    Bulldog(s) Names
    Boeboe, Bennie Boy and Joey
    Likes (Received)
    1384

    Default Re: Adopted a Bulldog, Previous Owner Wants to Stud Him

    Welcome Jeff, Winston is really beautiful I don't know what I would have done in your situation... I find it strange that they want to breed with him still If I had a good relationship with my vet I'd probably ask him to phone the breeder and explain the seriousness about breeding him. I hope they reconsider breeding him as it's a genetic condition AND it may cause issues for your boy to wait with the neutering. Hope everything works out
    You were born with the ability to change someone's life, don't ever waste it.



  8. #8
    Skinny-Dippin' Smokin' Tidy Bowl Bionic Woman Become a 4 Paw Member
    I Have Earned Community Veteran Status!
    Need help with the forums?  Contact me!
    brutus77's Avatar
    Real Name
    Rosalie
    Country
    USA
    Location
    Long Island NY
    Posts
    6,962
    Bulldog(s) Names
    Brutus, Frankie, and Jack
    Likes (Received)
    2795

    Default Re: Adopted a Bulldog, Previous Owner Wants to Stud Him

    I agree with all above, Winston should be neutered and not bred. I think it is commendable that you want to uphold your end of the deal, but you are not dealing with honest, reputable people so it becomes impossible for you to be the stand up guy you are. I would worry only about the health of Winston and move on. Having documentation that it is medically necessary to neuter right away is a great idea, Good luck.
    My smooshy face boy!

  9. #9
    The Ultimate Sourmug nycbullymama's Avatar
    Country
    usa
    Posts
    5,226
    Bulldog(s) Names
    b and w
    Trophies
    Likes (Received)
    1414

    Default Re: Adopted a Bulldog, Previous Owner Wants to Stud Him

    I think I would make sure I had all the documentation proving he's my dog before doing anything else.
    Dog license, vet bills, AKC registration. I mean everything!!

    Once that got done, I'd get him neutered.


  10. #10
    Head Pooper Scooper I am an EBN Reporter
    Become a 4 Paw Member
    I Have Earned Community Veteran Status!
    Need help with the forums?  Contact me!
    Davidh's Avatar
    Real Name
    David
    Country
    USA
    Location
    Katy, Texas
    Posts
    13,247
    Bulldog(s) Names
    BeBe, Hazel, Lucy Lu, JLO, Hillary, Henri, & Katie
    Likes (Received)
    1557

    Default Re: Adopted a Bulldog, Previous Owner Wants to Stud Him

    I agree with the others. The breeder you got him from in my opinion is not a reputable breed for several reasons and this is why he needs to be neutered. Don't get me wrong. he is a handsome bully, but he is a tricolored bully with mainly black in his color and that is undesirable by AKC, and should not be breed. Plus his genetic defect should not be breed either, not to mention his heath problem. So I would have him neutered. Since you do not have a contract with them, you shouldn't have that much of a problem with them. Just get it in writing from your vet. They will try to tell you that the black is rare and they get good money for it, but it should never be bred. I believe in breeding to the AKC standard and trying to always improve the breed and not try to breed "rare" colors.
    Have a Great Bully Day.
    Member of The Bulldog Club of America, The Bulldog Club of Texas and French Bulldog Club of America.
    Bully hugs from - BeBe, Hazel, Lucy Lu, JLO, Hillary, Henri & Katie


  11. #11
    Pet Sitter Become a 4 Paw Member Dee J's Avatar
    Location
    Denton, Texas, United States
    Posts
    308
    Bulldog(s) Names
    Brutus Mayhem AKA B-Ham AKA Brutty Boy
    Likes (Received)
    0

    Default Re: Adopted a Bulldog, Previous Owner Wants to Stud Him

    @Davidh Just a question because I have a curious mind. Do you know why black is an undesirable color with AKC? I now understand that is why it is so rare though.
    The boy that stole my heart forever, Brutus Mayhem




  12. #12
    Head Pooper Scooper I am an EBN Reporter
    Become a 4 Paw Member
    I Have Earned Community Veteran Status!
    Need help with the forums?  Contact me!
    Davidh's Avatar
    Real Name
    David
    Country
    USA
    Location
    Katy, Texas
    Posts
    13,247
    Bulldog(s) Names
    BeBe, Hazel, Lucy Lu, JLO, Hillary, Henri, & Katie
    Likes (Received)
    1557

    Default Re: Adopted a Bulldog, Previous Owner Wants to Stud Him

    @Dee J because Black is a dominate color, and if it is allowed then eventually it will take over.
    Have a Great Bully Day.
    Member of The Bulldog Club of America, The Bulldog Club of Texas and French Bulldog Club of America.
    Bully hugs from - BeBe, Hazel, Lucy Lu, JLO, Hillary, Henri & Katie


Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Remove Ads

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •