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    ... I am sorry for the shocker but 'off with his balls' sounded a bit too posh for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scueva View Post
    Some say that males don't develop fully untill 18 months. And females also don't develop completely until their 2nd -3rd heat. This is very debatable and ultimately the choice is yours. I strongly recommend fixing your pet by 24months. Animals left intact run very high risk of developing all types of cancers! Females bleed and get messy when in heat and I honestly have never met any breed of male dog that was intact that did not hump. Your guy may not do it yet but he also is only 7 months and may be slow bloomer!
    I agree with this.

    I had a collie who died of cancer of uterus from not being spayed. (Long story, totally the vets fault for thinking it was just a UTI)

    And if I hadn't neutered Remi, his undescended testicles may have turned cancerous.

    I heard a horror story once about a chick bringing her beautiful poodle into a dog park IN SEASON and before you know it, she was mounted by a pit bull (who wasn't neutuered). I wonder what the babies looked like. #stupidstupid

    EDIT: But OMG I totally just read the bazillion paragraphs on other pages. Needless to say, my decision was 75% a behavioral one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncra6761 View Post
    I think thats what il do maybe wait til he does start missbehaving then get him done if and when he does. He did once attempt to hump my sisters female huskies front paw ..when she was laying down to be exact aha .. Ive got no worries about them havin pups anytime soon if he keeps doin it that way
    The alteration may or may not solve the misbehavior though... it's not a guarantee.

    That would be another sight to see... a dog humping the front paw. LOL! My spayed female bulldog at 60 lbs would sometimes hump my 15lb intact male bichon! Talk about a funny sight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModernFemme View Post
    she was mounted by a pit bull (who wasn't neutuered). I wonder what the babies looked like.

    Google thinks a PooPit would look like this
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatess View Post
    Yes, all that stunted growth or changing their personality or humping and marking those are all myths. And the things like lesser chance of cancer - well, duh, if you don't have balls, you can't get cancer of the balls. But, the chances of them getting cancer with their balls intact is not significantly higher that it would offset the risks of the health risk of the neutering/spaying process itself when you're dealing with the breathing issues/allergies/general health condition of bulldogs that is exarcerbated during surgery.

    And the dog behavior is more a product of his training and natural personality than his neutering or lack thereof. But, it is true that an intact male is more territorial than an altered male. Also, an intact female has the natural tendency of wanting to roam when in heat. Of course, if you're the alpha "dog", these types of behavior issues can be avoided by proper training.

    Okay, so, that said, why neuter and when to neuter? You neuter simply for the fact that you don't want to have even a 0.0001% chance of getting unwanted babies. That's it. Now, spaying is a different matter. The procedure is more invasive but not doing the procedure is also a lot more responsibility. A girl in heat requires a lot more maintenance so there's more added incentive besides just eliminating the even miniscule chance of having unwanted babies.

    When to neuter... 6 months old is standard - both males and females. English Bulldogs mature later than most dog breeds so you might have balls that hasn't dropped yet so you might have to wait a while for the males. No, neutering/spaying at 6 months old won't make the dog smaller. No, it won't make the dog cuter. No, it won't change his personality.

    That said... I have 2 intact males and a spayed female (spayed before we got her). And here's some mythbuster things about my 3 dogs - the spayed female is the one that humps. By the way, humping is an act of dominance - so even females who want to establish dominance will hump, altered or not. The one intact male has terrible separation anxiety issues so he would mark everywhere when left alone. He doesn't mark at all when we're around. The other intact male neither humps nor marks. He's the super omega dog.

    So then we had a German Shepherd mix that I babysat for a while. He's intact too. The first time he walked in the house, he got in a fight with my intact male bulldog who is the omega dog that got territorial. I'm not the alpha in my household. I'm a wimp, actually. My husband, who is the alpha dog was out. So, I had to separate the dogs in separate sides of the house. So, the next morning, my husband took the dogs out and there was not a single bark or growl from both dogs. He leaves the house and the dogs remained behaved and played together like old buddies.

    Okay, before my husband and I got married, he had 2 intact male dobermans. Now, if you know dobermans, they are quite the protective breed. Those dogs got in a fight a few times when they hit puberty so much so that we had to spend $800 on stitches for both dogs! But, with my husband's consistent training, he was able to get those dogs to play nice with each other so that when we got married, those two dogs were the sweetest dogs even with me, the wimp, taking care of them.

    Now, my friend has 4 dobermans, 1 pitbull and 1 boxer. 2 males 4 females all altered. She spent over $1,000 on stitches when they ended up fighting too but she established pack hierarchy soon enough and everybody except the boxer gets along great. The boxer, though, had more psychological issues that she had to remain separated from the rest. Now, this shows that it doesn't matter if the dogs are altered or not - their personalities does not change. An aggressive dog will be aggressive, an omega dog will be omega. A dog with psych problems will still have psych problems.

    So, if I ever make one teeny bitty mistake and my intact dogs get out and impregnate another dog (my neighbor has 2 intact female boxers), there is nobody to blame but me and I need to be scourged for it.

    And that's my thoughts on the matter.
    My vet told me the exact same things... all of what you wrote...all of it! about the cancers, the behaviour, the surgery etc... a month ago when I went to make an appointment to neutter Ulysses. She is kind of against getting him neutered because she says due to his breathing issues (not more than the usual bully heavy breathing), she doesn't want to put him through an "unnecessary" surgery. That said, I think I do want to get him neutered at some point. BUT, I have had so many health issues with him in the past, that now when he is doing well health wise, I'm scared of putting him through surgery and recovery, and the stress of it all (he likes his vet, but he has kind of anxiety attacks when we are anywhere near her office, it really stresses him out...looses a lot of hair in the process :S). I just don't know..it's hard to make the decision. He'll be 1 and 1/2 this month. I'll see how things develop and maybe I'll take him sometime in the spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maife View Post
    My vet told me the exact same things... all of what you wrote...all of it! about the cancers, the behaviour, the surgery etc... a month ago when I went to make an appointment to neutter Ulysses. She is kind of against getting him neutered because she says due to his breathing issues (not more than the usual bully heavy breathing), she doesn't want to put him through an "unnecessary" surgery. That said, I think I do want to get him neutered at some point. BUT, I have had so many health issues with him in the past, that now when he is doing well health wise, I'm scared of putting him through surgery and recovery, and the stress of it all (he likes his vet, but he has kind of anxiety attacks when we are anywhere near her office, it really stresses him out...looses a lot of hair in the process :S). I just don't know..it's hard to make the decision. He'll be 1 and 1/2 this month. I'll see how things develop and maybe I'll take him sometime in the spring.

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    We try NOT to encourage her!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEISGREAT View Post
    :shhhh:
    We try NOT to encourage her!
    Too late now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatess View Post
    Too late now!


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    Just thought it was interesting to see here the same arguments my vet gave me last time..... Just for the sake of argument

    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEISGREAT View Post
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    We try NOT to encourage her!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maife View Post
    Just thought it was interesting to see here the same arguments my vet gave me last time..... Just for the sake of argument

    Ohhhh Nooooooo..this was aimed solely at Anatess...your part is right on!

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    I think most males should be neutered...human and canine

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEISGREAT View Post
    Ohhhh Nooooooo..this was aimed solely at Anatess...your part is right on!

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