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    Quote Originally Posted by elearn View Post
    Sorry, I meant that adding in an additional 1/4c per meal (total 1/2 cup per day) didn't look like a lot to me as I figured she would say to change to 2cups per meal or something. So originally she said 1 1/4c per meal 2x per day; then she said to adjust to 1 1/2c IF I thought he needed it. 1 1/4c twice per day was much less than what the bag of Eukanuba said! It said something like 4 cups per day! This is when I started to worry he wasnt getting the food he needed, etc which is why I asked her in the first place LOL THEN I started to worry with treats and all that he'd eat too much and get fat. LOL

    So what I did instead was continue feeding him 1 1/4 c twice per day of the Eukanuba (her original recommendation) and I got him a toy called "Snoggle". I put an extra 1/4 cup inside Snoggle. This put me at ease....

    However, when I switched to Earthborn, it says TOTAL of 2 1/4 cups per day which is less than what I was feeding him, but it's grain-free and higher quality so that is to be expected. So now I'm at 1 1/4c in the morning and 1 c at night.

    I hope I'm making sense LOL I guess my point is that my breeder opted for feeding lower amounts and recommended a small jump in quantity if I thought he needed it. My vet said the same - if he still seems hungry, give him a little more. I personally want to feed him more because he looks "skinny" to me, but I know he probably is just fine.

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    I like to keep my bullies on the lean side. Hasn't made rudy's breeder very happy, but he didn't get the limp his, 10 pound heavier, overweight brother did. He loves to run around the yard and doesn't get winded when I walk him. Mila is lean and mean, probably more athletic than Mimi RIP. Our vet used to bring other bulldogs owners into the room to show Mimi to them to see what a healthy bulldog should look like. Mimi used to run back an forth full speed for 30 to 60 minutes, playing with the dog on the other side of the fence, at 10 years old. Follow your gut. If your bulldog is lethargic he may be eating too much. The true balance for us was somewhere between the vet (his opinion is they should go at their food like they are starving to death) and the breeder (feed them until they are full, like a bulldog is ever full). Feed them good food, watch the energy level and feel for ribs not RIB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gobronco View Post
    I like to keep my bullies on the lean side. Hasn't made rudy's breeder very happy, but he didn't get the limp his, 10 pound heavier, overweight brother did. He loves to run around the yard and doesn't get winded when I walk him. Mila is lean and mean, probably more athletic than Mimi RIP. Our vet used to bring other bulldogs owners into the room to show Mimi to them to see what a healthy bulldog should look like. Mimi used to run back an forth full speed for 30 to 60 minutes, playing with the dog on the other side of the fence, at 10 years old. Follow your gut. If your bulldog is lethargic he may be eating too much. The true balance for us was somewhere between the vet (his opinion is they should go at their food like they are starving to death) and the breeder (feed them until they are full, like a bulldog is ever full). Feed them good food, watch the energy level and feel for ribs not RIB.
    Thanks for your response. Brembo is NOT lethargic, as he goes to puppy daycare some days and others I always have him out and about moving around.

    I guess it's indeed good to keep him on the leaner side, so this is what I intend to do. Over the past days I have realized that my breeder is simply stuck in her ways and is not even open to alternative ways of doing things. She wants fat little dogs, fine. I don't.

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    Default Re: Just SCOLDED by Breeder for feeding puppy Grain-Free Fromm!!

    You've been given such good advice already .... all I can say is the breeders food is equivalent of feeding your child McDonalds for EVERY singe meal for the entire of it's obviously shortened life. Feeding a good quality food off the 5 or 6* rated list is the same as giving a nutrient and vitamin rich meal for the entire of your childs life.

    Plain and simple .... what would you choose??

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    Default Re: Just SCOLDED by Breeder for feeding puppy Grain-Free Fromm!!

    I got so irritated by what you said about your breeder, I stopped reading about 1/2 way down to have my say.

    1) What an awesome and educated breeder you have. She doesn't even know about Fromm? -1 for her!
    2) There is plenty of research all over the internet that puts Fromm at the top of the list as one of the best foods to feed, not only dogs, but cats too. For her to say..and start to prep a way out of the breeder health clause causes her to have another negative. So, -2 for her.
    3) For her to yell at you, well.........that's just plain bitchy. -3
    4) I can guarantee that she is full of poop. I bet that if she was Pinocchio, her nose would be pretty long. I wouldn't believe her at all on any claims of having dogs that always live to 11 and 12 years old. Would she give you reference numbers to previous clients? I bet not. Even if she is a saint and every word that comes out of her mouth is golden.....I bet that not all of her dogs have been healthy. It's a percentage thing. You can be the best breeder in the world and still have a problem or two. Just like a human. You can do every thing right, have all the golden genes in place...but still have a child that isn't completely healthy. Nothing is perfect all the time. -4 for her.
    5) The reason she has to feed her puppies more is because she is feeding crap food. You have to feed more because it lacks all the good stuff.
    6) A good rule of thumb....if the food is advertised on tv, the manufacture spends more money on pushing sales/selling/advertizing than they do on the quality of the food. A good dog food company chooses the best of all ingredients, chooses the best grades of meat, doesn't include all the fillers and preservatives. A good dog food company doesn't need to spend millions of dollars in pumping up their product via tv. They do well enough by word of mouth. @Fontanafox I work for Costco. There isn't a Costco (at least in the Puget Sound area) that sells Royal Canin. I'd hope Costco would have better sense than to sell that nonsense of a food. (but they do sell Iams, so I guess not)
    7) She mistook grain free for no carbs? -1000 for her. She needs the link to this website. She isn't the brightest crayon in the box.

    YOU...you are doing everything right. You surpassed her long ago by simply doing your research. Huge kudos to you. You can always turn to the internet and research any and all questions you may have. The great thing is, you don't always have to invest 100% into the first article you read.
    You definitely want a second opinion on the elongated pallet issue. My mom has a bulldog that had this done. Chesty was just over a year old when they did it. Chesty's litter mate died from complications of NOT having it done. If his owners would have known that it was an issue....he would probably still be alive today. As it was, he suffocated after too much activity on a normal Washington day. He could not get enough oxygen. So, if you get 2 or 3 opinions and they all say "Do it".....I think I would trust the DVM vs the IDIOT. The DVM has years of schooling to back them up, she doesn't. Sorry if I sound a little put out, cause I am. You seem way more advanced in your knowledge than she does. I think you are doing a wonderful job and she really should have her nose rubbed in something awful for making you second guess your care for your bulldog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libra926 View Post
    I got so irritated by what you said about your breeder, I stopped reading about 1/2 way down to have my say.

    1) What an awesome and educated breeder you have. She doesn't even know about Fromm? -1 for her!
    2) There is plenty of research all over the internet that puts Fromm at the top of the list as one of the best foods to feed, not only dogs, but cats too. For her to say..and start to prep a way out of the breeder health clause causes her to have another negative. So, -2 for her.
    3) For her to yell at you, well.........that's just plain bitchy. -3
    4) I can guarantee that she is full of poop. I bet that if she was Pinocchio, her nose would be pretty long. I wouldn't believe her at all on any claims of having dogs that always live to 11 and 12 years old. Would she give you reference numbers to previous clients? I bet not. Even if she is a saint and every word that comes out of her mouth is golden.....I bet that not all of her dogs have been healthy. It's a percentage thing. You can be the best breeder in the world and still have a problem or two. Just like a human. You can do every thing right, have all the golden genes in place...but still have a child that isn't completely healthy. Nothing is perfect all the time. -4 for her.
    5) The reason she has to feed her puppies more is because she is feeding crap food. You have to feed more because it lacks all the good stuff.
    6) A good rule of thumb....if the food is advertised on tv, the manufacture spends more money on pushing sales/selling/advertizing than they do on the quality of the food. A good dog food company chooses the best of all ingredients, chooses the best grades of meat, doesn't include all the fillers and preservatives. A good dog food company doesn't need to spend millions of dollars in pumping up their product via tv. They do well enough by word of mouth. @Fontanafox I work for Costco. There isn't a Costco (at least in the Puget Sound area) that sells Royal Canin. I'd hope Costco would have better sense than to sell that nonsense of a food. (but they do sell Iams, so I guess not)
    7) She mistook grain free for no carbs? -1000 for her. She needs the link to this website. She isn't the brightest crayon in the box.

    YOU...you are doing everything right. You surpassed her long ago by simply doing your research. Huge kudos to you. You can always turn to the internet and research any and all questions you may have. The great thing is, you don't always have to invest 100% into the first article you read.
    You definitely want a second opinion on the elongated pallet issue. My mom has a bulldog that had this done. Chesty was just over a year old when they did it. Chesty's litter mate died from complications of NOT having it done. If his owners would have known that it was an issue....he would probably still be alive today. As it was, he suffocated after too much activity on a normal Washington day. He could not get enough oxygen. So, if you get 2 or 3 opinions and they all say "Do it".....I think I would trust the DVM vs the IDIOT. The DVM has years of schooling to back them up, she doesn't. Sorry if I sound a little put out, cause I am. You seem way more advanced in your knowledge than she does. I think you are doing a wonderful job and she really should have her nose rubbed in something awful for making you second guess your care for your bulldog.

    PREACH ON!! I think I smiled throughout your entire comment.

    Regarding the food -- I have no doubt that I am feeding him a food that is miles above and beyond what the breeder feeds. But after doing more research I discovered that I may be limiting his food just a bit too much. Where as I WAS feeding him a total of 2.25 cups a day, I am going to revert back to my original 3 cups and monitor his weight closely.

    I have read and there are 3 schools of thought (for English bulldogs only, NOT applicable to other breeds):
    • Let EB eat as much as he would like provided he gets sufficient exercise daily
    • Let EB eat as much as he wants in moderation, while closely monitoring weight to ensure no excess gains
    • Let EB eat restricted, regimented meals either 2 or 3 times a day
    I could go into the details about the reasoning behind each school of thought, but this is the basic jist.

    So I am going to go with a mix between the 2nd and 3rd school of thought. I'm going to let him eat a little more, up to 3 cups, while monitoring his weight. I realize that I am feeding him a very high quality food so I do not think I need to go all the way up to 3.5 cups as the breeder recommended.

    I've purchased 2 more bags of Fromm: 1 WITH GRAIN, and 1 WITHOUT GRAIN. So long as Brembo is not exhibiting allergic symptoms, I will feed him a good mix of both until I see a reason to change my approach.

    As he gets LOTS of exercise, I think this will be a fair approach so long as I monitor his weight closely (any ideas on how to do that without taking him to vet?!)

    REGARDING THE SURGERY: When I see the vet again I am going to tell her that unless he's exhibiting a breathing problem, I would not like to proceed with the surgery.

    The problem: The vet has told me that she recommends it to most bulldog owners because EBs are a brachycephalic breed (no ****!). This leads me to believe that she doesn't really care whether he NEEDS it or not, as she thinks they ALL need it. So therefore I may be stuck needing a 2nd or 3rd opinion! Anyone know any good vets in southern CT / Westchester NY?! =).

    Thanks for all the responses so far. Mods thanks for keeping this in the GENERAL forum. I think this thread can and will be helpful to all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libra926 View Post
    I....she really should have her nose rubbed in something awful for making you second guess your care for your bulldog.
    ^^^^^^

    @ajwhitt44 .. in re-reading all this, I realize I was so put off by the scolding i did not comment on the pallett issue. My vet, Dr. Rossi (yes, I am a little bias) is AWESOME -- Nitschke needed the surgery very badly, but he would not allow it to be done till he was 2 and he wanted it done by a different doctor because of the amount of work our boy needed. The difference in him after was remarkable and Dr. Cabelle was amazing.. she even cried when giving us an update because she knew how much easier breathing just got for him and how well he pulled thru the procedure.

    Our girl Banks, is about to turn 7 and never had the issue.

    Our French Bulldog Cheli... Dr. Rossi says he will need it, but again -- "let's wait till he is 2 yr old , see how he fills out and we'll talk about it then.. whether I do it or we go back to Dr. Cabelle we'll discuss in April" (did I tell ya I LOVE my vet)
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    @2BullyMama, Your vet is AWESOME!! I need one like that!!

    Funny, there are NO recommended Vets on this website for the Southern Connecticut area =(.

    Although I was going to get a 2nd opinion, you've made me think about waiting altogether until he's older and a little more developed. Again, I think I'll ask the vet if he's having any breathing problems and hopefully she does not try to fool me with her generalizations.,

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    @2BullyMama, Your vet is AWESOME!! I need one like that!!

    Funny, there are NO recommended Vets on this website for the Southern Connecticut area =(.

    Although I was going to get a 2nd opinion, you've made me think about waiting altogether until he's older and a little more developed. Again, I think I'll ask the vet if he's having any breathing problems and hopefully she does not try to fool me with her generalizations.,

    @ChanelnBrutus goes to a vet in NY, may be worth a trip for you for the second opinion. Also, you can tell if they need it... loud snoring, clearing the throat, lots of phlegm, snorting, gruts,... these are bully traits yes, but when they are louder or more often, it is a sign of the pallet and nostril issue. Nitschke had all the issues as does Chelios, but Banks heck she does not make a sound... nothing unless she has been in the heat oo long.
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    @2BullyMama, thanks so much, I will contact her to see if maybe I can get Brembo checked out.

    I love my vet, she's nice, loves bulldogs, and is always positive --- but I HATE HATE HATE generalizations, and I know some vets can be overly knife-happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajwhitt44 View Post
    @2BullyMama, Your vet is AWESOME!! I need one like that!!

    Funny, there are NO recommended Vets on this website for the Southern Connecticut area =(.

    Although I was going to get a 2nd opinion, you've made me think about waiting altogether until he's older and a little more developed. Again, I think I'll ask the vet if he's having any breathing problems and hopefully she does not try to fool me with her generalizations.,
    Yes I go to Richmond Valley Animal Hospital. They are amazing there and the hospital was created and run by a bulldog breeder for 30 years. The vets are amazing and very knowledgeable about bullies. Here is their info if you need.

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    @ChanelnBrutus thanks so much.

    Unfortunately Staten Island is 1.5 hours from me -- do you think it's worth taking Brembo in the car that long? He's never been in a car that long I don't think.

    If not, can you recommend any closer vets that specialize? Or perhaps ask your own if he/she could recommend any that are closer to me?

    Obviously just trying to find the right fit for my guy!

    Thanks!

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