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    Hi everyone,So Brembo is actually 15 weeks as of TODAY!! My aunt has a miniature Poodle named Nala who is extremely smart, outgoing, and well pampered.

    Some background -- Brembo has been to his 1st puppy class and did OK. DIdn't bark or bite any other dogs. He has never had another dog enter the house to this point.

    So my Aunt came over with my uncle and their son to see our new house and meet the dog. They came by around 8:30pm right after Brembo had eaten. This also happens to be the time when Brembo usually gets riled up (or so I've experienced in the past week and a half).

    I take Brembo outside to pee/poop as they pull up. He immediately sees my Uncle and instead of peeing, goes over to say hi. We make sure to make all family introductions before bringing Nala out.
    Note: this entire interaction took place outside.

    So Nala gets out of the car and my Aunt immediately takes her over to sniff Brembo's butt. Brembo is fine with this, but when he realizes there is a new dog behind him, he gets super excited and turns to run at Nala. This pretty much scares the crap out of Nala, who is usually outgoing, dominant, and a general sweetheart.

    Basically, because Nala is hesitant and my Aunt is controlling her, she won't really let Brembo go near her because every time Brembo tries to advance, Nala retreats. As I am sitting there, restraining Brembo (who is getting REALLY strong at only 14wks), he starts barking and squirming, desperately trying to get out of my grasp so he can pounce and play (I hope that's what he would have done) with Nala. I keep commanding him to sit and he obeys, but only for a short while until he's back up and moving.

    We bring them both in the house and I immediately crate Brembo in the dining room. My Aunt takes Nala in the dining room to sniff around and Brembo gets really excited/irritated/upset/interested (i don't really know), and starts barking and chewing on his cage. He's borderline throwing a tantrum as i keep trying to remove his mouth from his cage and he ends of biting me.He never got to get up close to Nala to sniff her butt or play nicely, as he was too aggressive the entire time for Nala or my Aunt to 'wait and see what happens'.

    ....So what's going on here? Was it the time of night, as he usually is already upbeat around then? Was it the presence of a new dog in HIS house? Was he just super pumped up?

    I don't know what to do. I wanted to impress my Aunt as I've been working hard with Brembo (her dog is very well trained). I feel that we made a poor impression and the sheer weight and size advantage that Brembo had made everyone uncomfortable that he would unintentionally hurt Nala.

    Do i need to be practicing the down/sit/stay commands more thoroughly?

    Today after work, I am having my good friend bring his dog by to see what happens. This friend won't be intimidated and his dog is much larger, so we'll see what happens. Do you guys think this is an okay idea?

    Thanks for your suggestions, and sorry for the long read!! I like to be thorough. ..and here's a pic of the big/little guy!!Thhhpppp by AJW imaging, on Flickr
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    Default Re: BREMBO - 14wks - 1st Puppy Play Date - NOT GOOD

    I think it's a great idea, let Brembo know he's not the only dog. He's may have forgotten how to behave in a pack like when he was with his litter mates.
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    Keep on introducing him to friends. I know with Otis that other smaller dogs are intimidated as well as their owners. I think sometimes that "bully breed" mentality gets the best of others and they expect the worst.

    Otis just wants to play, he's a puppy, as I'm sure is the case with Brembo
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    Haha that's what I keep saying! It seems like he just wants to play!!

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    I remember we did our first puppy play date around that same age with Bacon. We paired him up with a 2 year old puggle. She has a lot of energy and still being young herself was just as ready to run and play. In the end I think it worked so well becuase they were similar in energy level. They ran around the house chasing each other for hours and both barely moved the next day.

    I wouldn't be worried. Not all dogs get along just like people. I'm sure your next play date will do fine. Just give them some time to sniff each other out. My standard is keeping him on his leash, holding it, with my foot also on the leash to restrict movement. If you're in puppy school and your instructor taught you about answering the door with you dog, same thing. And then ignore him and have a human-to-human conversation while he settles in to his new visitors.

    Best of luck this afternoon - let us know how it goes.
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    Default Re: BREMBO - 14wks - 1st Puppy Play Date - NOT GOOD

    My guess is he did so well in puppy class because it wasn't at HIS house. Dog's are territorial by nature.. If you aren't one of the pack you don't belong.

    I would start by getting the dogs used to each other on neutral territory. Have the dogs meet for the first time while your away from Brembo's 'hood'.. Put him on a leash and take him for a walk about 6-7 houses down. Have the other dog (also on a leash) come up and let them sniff and get used to each other. If everything goes OK (expect the normal lunging, barking, wiggling at first) walk them both back to your house. Let them do the same 'meet and greet' still leashed and under control inside the house. If everything is still ok take the leashes off... and have some squirt bottles handy .

    The worst thing you can do to your dog (well.. there are a lot of other bad things) is to let him get territorial. Attacking a neighbor kid/dog/cat can be devastating when your puppy grows up. socialization, socialization, socialization!
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    Default Re: BREMBO - 14wks - 1st Puppy Play Date - NOT GOOD

    You have to remember he is still a pup and full of energy. I used to call that 8:30 at night the bewitching hour, because mine would just go crazy and want to play. Now that they have gotten older it's not as bad. It is a good idea to bring other dogs around him and at your house so he can get used to them and not be so crazy. I think after a little while id he could have played some with the other dog he would have settled down. Small poodle was a bad play mate. Putting him in his crate and the other dog right outside his rate was not a good idea also. The poodle should have been out of site. That id his home, not the poodles. Just keep working with him and others dogs, but remember he is still full of pup and will be for some time.
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    Ummmm...it's the poodle. Period. Nada. He wants to play with a REAL dog.

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    Default Re: BREMBO - 14wks - 1st Puppy Play Date - NOT GOOD

    Time of night... as @Davidh said, it is the bewitching hour - same her with both of my bullies (zoom after each other like crazy)..... and I'm thinking your concern went to him as well. How did it go today with your friends dog?
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    You have gotten some really good advice today from EBNs finest. I also think him being a young pup is the main problem, but the other factors definitely played a part too. I'd also assume that your aunts poodle is older and probably doesn't think she/he is a dog . Ive had a similar experience with my sister-in-law's very spoiled maltipoo. Tank would love to play with him, but he was VERY put off with Tank and would not leave moms side. Poor Tank! I have also noticed that Tank, while fairly well behaved, doesn't make great first impressions with other dogs, but they do usually warm up to him. I had read somewhere that it is very important to be cautious when introducing your bully to other dogs, as bullies are more visual when meeting other dogs and other dog breeds perceive the direct eye contact as a threat, which can ignite rapidly into a bad situation. Hope his next play date goes better!

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    Default Re: BREMBO - 14wks - 1st Puppy Play Date - NOT GOOD

    And just remember.... bulldogs play ROUGH!!! Poodles, not so much. I notice a lot of other breeds don't understand bulldogs. It's hard to read them since they have no tails and they really can't snarl much. Bulldogs also growl and make loud noises when they play which in turn other breeds think it's not nice.

    I would try and get him into a bulldog meet up....
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    Good for you for making steps toward socializing your pup. Next time you might try taking him for a walk before the meeting (so he's tired and less prone to nonsense). Practice makes perfect. Just keep at it. The poodle would have told Brembo "that's not cool" if he'd have done something she didn't like. Bo had the opportunity once of being completely OWNED by a teeny tiny POMERANIAN. No kidding. He was being too forward and that 5oz of dog had NO TROUBLE telling him so. Eventually, he figured it out and they actually did a bit of playing. A bit. I wasn't nervous and the POM lady wasn't nervous either - and that helped. (Dogs can sense your energy) Keep at it and always disagree with behavior you don't want.

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