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    Default Re: Very interesting article, whether you agree with the author's perspective or not.

    Well, I guess any information like this might be helpful in discouraging irresponsible people from jumping into bullie ownership. Lupe has just tad longer snout than most bullies I've seen in person, and she has zero breathing problems so far, but my point is, if she had trouble, I'd fix it. Hands down. Whatever it took. I wish the article had interviewed people from EBN! I feel like people need to know there are thousands of bully Moms and Dads who are compeltely in tune with their dogs and completely committed to keeping them happy and safe and who are not "in denial."

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    Default Re: Very interesting article, whether you agree with the author's perspective or not.

    The current Uga that's mentioned in the article is dead as well I believe.

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    Default Re: Very interesting article, whether you agree with the author's perspective or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by PukaMiniBulldogs View Post
    The current Uga that's mentioned in the article is dead as well I believe.
    Yes, he is. Big Bad Bruce died of lymphoma at only 17-months of age. Russ is acting mascot until they find the next Uga. Yeah, it's either they just have supreme bad luck with their choice of mascot or that entire pedigree line is somehow compromised.

    Quote Originally Posted by SunDog View Post
    Well, I guess any information like this might be helpful in discouraging irresponsible people from jumping into bullie ownership. Lupe has just tad longer snout than most bullies I've seen in person, and she has zero breathing problems so far, but my point is, if she had trouble, I'd fix it. Hands down. Whatever it took. I wish the article had interviewed people from EBN! I feel like people need to know there are thousands of bully Moms and Dads who are compeltely in tune with their dogs and completely committed to keeping them happy and safe and who are not "in denial."
    I don't think the issue here is whether EB owners care for their dogs. The asking price for a purebred EB puppy we hope filters out the impulse buyers. But, interviewing all EBN members is not going to change the fact that the EB standard is detrimental to a dog's health. The issue here is whether EBs should be altered through genetic selection to make the current standard extinct and come up with a better breed - like the Olde English or some variation of it.

    Here's what each of us has to really look hard into our own souls: Do we love our dogs enough to let go of our desire for their "cuteness" to give EBs a better chance at a healthier/longer life?

    For non-EB owners, the answer would be a resounding YES. I may be a hypocrite - willing to shell out thousands of dollars and time and effort for the proper dog food, vet care, etc. - but unwilling to let go of the breed altogether (I, too, say, "but she's not going to look like a bulldog anymore!") to improve their health. It's a tough pill to swallow.
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    Default Re: Very interesting article, whether you agree with the author's perspective or not.

    Just came across this article somewhere else and was going to post it but it appears somebody beat me to it.

    The article certainly gives a lot to think about. I knew what I was getting into when we got Lola (ok maybe not entirely), but the reward has been and continues to be worth the risk. And while a great deal of this article is opinion, I can't deny that some of the facts are worrisome.

    Three things are for sure....Lola DOES love me, Lola IS happy, and by no means is her life "needlessly compromised"

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    Default Re: Very interesting article, whether you agree with the author's perspective or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by sowdie View Post
    Three things are for sure....Lola DOES love me, Lola IS happy, and by no means is her life "needlessly compromised"
    But that's not the issue though. The issue is that Lola is already "needlessly compromised" by virtue of being born an English Bulldog. Make sense?

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    Default Re: Very interesting article, whether you agree with the author's perspective or not.

    Couldn't be more clearerer. Thanks

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    Default Re: Very interesting article, whether you agree with the author's perspective or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by anatess View Post
    Here's what each of us has to really look hard into our own souls: Do we love our dogs enough to let go of our desire for their "cuteness" to give EBs a better chance at a healthier/longer life?
    I am a first timer bully owner (long-time dog owner), and Lupe was a gift chosen by my husband through what I now realize is probably an online pet store. I try not to think about it. She was an expensive dog, but she is not "up to the standard" which has never been an issue for us. She's perfect. Throughout that article I found myself thinking: they're talking about cuteness, cuteness. For us, this breed is about personality and temperament; I have never in my life met a dog so sensitive, even-tempered, silly, loyal, smart, obedient, and completely calm.

    My concern over the breeding out "cuteness" is breeding out temperament. When I hear that an OEB can run for hours, I wonder if that's the part of the EB personality that I'd miss most...all very interesting. I teach research and critical thinking, so these kinds of "moral"-ish issues sit well with me, and I enjoy evaluating the arguments. But also, overall, I thought the article pretty much implied EB owners are selfish. That's my biggest beef. Maybe I misread.

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    Default Re: Very interesting article, whether you agree with the author's perspective or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by SunDog View Post
    But also, overall, I thought the article pretty much implied EB owners are selfish. That's my biggest beef. Maybe I misread.
    I think it absolutely implies that. I read it as EB owners are more concerned with keeping the current breed as is (for a variety of reasons, cuteness and I agree most importantly that personality!) than altering it as to improve their quality of life. As anatess said, it really is a tough pill to swallow. I realize that there are alot of healthy bullys out there (thank goodness) but there is a reason why the breed is known as the most "unhealthy" or being plagued with the most health issues. I am not taking any particular stance, I'm not really quite sure how to feel about it all really, but I do think the author of the article brings up some valid points.
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    Default Re: Very interesting article, whether you agree with the author's perspective or not.

    I just read this, it came up when I did a search on EBN for OEBs. My husband and I are strongly leaning toward getting an OEB. Having had, loved, and lost 5 EBs over a span of almost 30 years--2 of them made it past 9, but those 2 had serious heart problems, I am really torn. With the hope of our precious pet living a longer and healthier life we will probably go with an OEB!!!

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    Default Re: Very interesting article, whether you agree with the author's perspective or not.

    Yes a thought provoking read. I do agree with the article that it would be better for the EB health if they were bred to have slightly less wrinkles and slightly longer noses. After all they shouldn't be deemed as a fashion accessory, I am all for them being more healthier, active happy animals with longer life spans

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    Default Re: Very interesting article, whether you agree with the author's perspective or not.

    Breeding has become a sport to see who can get the most extreme features for a Hollywood style appeal. It would be great if we could get back to the OED that the breed originated from. I read the history of the breed not long ago and there were drawings that showed the breed being taller, less stout, and the snout resembled the American bulldog but shorter.

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    Default Re: Very interesting article, whether you agree with the author's perspective or not.

    I agree that it's vital to breed bulldogs and other breeds health in mind first. If in EB's case it means a longer snout and less wrinkles so be it. I hope every breeder would keep that in mind and the English bulldog would be saved, but preferably without cross breeding. There is enough healthy bulldogs for breeding a healthy dog and healthier after every generation. Unfortunately there is a lot of breeders who compromise health over looks or just money. Banning the breeding of bulldogs is the worst that could happen. Since when has banning anything stopped it. Drugs are banned?? Alcohol was banned??? It would simply be done by even more shady people and heartless criminals.

    As some of you know I show my Usko and a lot of times he gets critizized of his longer nose and leaner than most body. The "big boys" rule the rings. That also steers the way breeders breed.

    Luckily it is prohibited by law to sell dogs in petstores in Finland, but still we have dogs that come from puppy mills usually from the bourdering countries. People think they are saving the dogs when they are really making the business possible and engouraging animal abuse. Reckless breeding just for looks is animal abuse as well.

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