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    Thank you all for your help! Great info. I am working on attaching pics but am having issues from my work computer. I may have to try again at home.

    In the meantime, to those that have multiple bulldogs, at what point do you determine that your dogs aren't play fighting and are fighting for real? We've kept our guys separate for the most part because of the stitches, but have had them near each other and they instantly try and lunge at each others faces to bite down. We haven't allowed this to happen but you can see that it's going to as soon as we let them play after the stitches come out.

    We won't let them play unsupervised for sure, but want to know at what point to separate, correct, etc. when it comes to them play fighting. Is clamping down with their jaws/teeth on their faces, ears, etc. normal play? Do you just look to make sure one isn't shrieking in pain?

    We don't want to overprotect but certainly don't want to allow them to go past the point where it should be stopped.

    Right now play fighting is very taboo to them b/c we aren't letting it happen at all. Just want to be prepared for next week once they'll be able to play more together.

    Thanks!
    There's a difference in the pitch between a play growl and a fight growl... and then there's the raised hackles and the stiff tail. Okay, so a bully doesn't have much of a tail, but you'll notice that they wag their entire butts, so if the butt is stiff, the hackles are raised and you get that menacing pitched growl, you got the beginnings of a fight. When they're playing they're running around bumping, rolling around... when you got a fight starting, usually all activity stops for a few seconds while you get a "stand-off" before the fight begins.

    Okay, I am going on and on and on about this... and forgot to add a disclaimer... I've been through quite a number of fights in my lifetime... and I always forget to mention, although I have dealt with a lot of different dog breeds, I've never dealt with an English Bulldog. We got our very first English Bulldog just a few months ago. I don't think there's anything different about English Bulldogs from all the other breeds, but I could be mistaken.

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    We have 3 females, and females will fight more than males will usually. Two were bought at the same time but were different ages by 5 months. They would fight every once in awhile but not much anymore. I only had to "pin" them down once and after that if they fought I would just say "hey, knock it off" and they would stop. I can usually see the the fight coming and stop it before it starts. Now that they are older, everyone gets along fine. It is always best to have a male and female, but both sexes can live together, it's just how you train them and show them you are the alpha. I guess I'm lucky because I have grown up with dogs all my life and have always been 'in tune" if you will, with dogs, for lack of a better explanation. haha I kind of understand them and just have a way with them. I have learned a lot though the years by watching and listening to others as well. As stated earlier if you have never owned a dog before it may not be the best idea to have two males. But with work and doing your homework it can happen. It helps to raise them as litter mate as well, just my opinion, because I have done it.

    As far as the play fighting, pups will play and should be able to play together. They will bite each other and this is normal. It's when they start to get louder and more excited, is when you step in to stop it. Give them each a chew bone to redirect them for a little time out. It is healthy for them to play together. You will know if they are fighting and if the playing turns into a fight you will now because their growls will be a different pitch and louder. When that happens you may have to pin them as describe above and don't let them up until they both are submissive. Anytime you are not sure of something or have a question please let us know. We are always here for each other. There are a lot of opinions out there as to how to raise or train dogs and some are better than others, you need to find what works for you.
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    I just brought my girl, Miila home a month or so ago so I had this same question. She and my Cutty play VERY hard. Not fast and running around like crazy as much as just wrestling and biting. They get along great and I can tell when Cutty is done by his demeanor then I have Miila take a break. Both actually but Cutty usually wants a break by this time. lol. They play so rough that she actually has a cut on her neck about the size of a quarter just from Cutty biting over and over there. She asks for more so obviously the play is fine but now I cant get it to heal without him busting it back open. As young as your babies are I am sure you wont have many problems cuz they will adjust as they grow up and will know eachothers body language. Also you will too so try and let them play (when it is time) and dont over step. This is an important part of them figuring out their pack order etc so playing even if it appears rough is good for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidh View Post
    We have 3 females, and females will fight more than males will usually. Two were bought at the same time but were different ages by 5 months. They would fight every once in awhile but not much anymore. I only had to "pin" them down once and after that if they fought I would just say "hey, knock it off" and they would stop. I can usually see the the fight coming and stop it before it starts. Now that they are older, everyone gets along fine. It is always best to have a male and female, but both sexes can live together, it's just how you train them and show them you are the alpha. I guess I'm lucky because I have grown up with dogs all my life and have always been 'in tune" if you will, with dogs, for lack of a better explanation. haha I kind of understand them and just have a way with them. I have learned a lot though the years by watching and listening to others as well. As stated earlier if you have never owned a dog before it may not be the best idea to have two males. But with work and doing your homework it can happen. It helps to raise them as litter mate as well, just my opinion, because I have done it.

    As far as the play fighting, pups will play and should be able to play together. They will bite each other and this is normal. It's when they start to get louder and more excited, is when you step in to stop it. Give them each a chew bone to redirect them for a little time out. It is healthy for them to play together. You will know if they are fighting and if the playing turns into a fight you will now because their growls will be a different pitch and louder. When that happens you may have to pin them as describe above and don't let them up until they both are submissive. Anytime you are not sure of something or have a question please let us know. We are always here for each other. There are a lot of opinions out there as to how to raise or train dogs and some are better than others, you need to find what works for you.
    You sound just like my husband! Yeah, he grew up with dogs too and he has never had formal training or anything like that. He learned everything by experience. His very first dog (that's his, not the family's) was a rottweiler mix when he was about 10. And he made so many mistakes with the dog that he got several citations for complaints from the neighbors, etc. One time, the city almost took the dog because he chased the mailman. Now, all of it has become instinctive. You know what's really crazy - that same pack leadership trait that I see in my husband is the same leadership trait he shows to my kids.

    Okay, this is why I say I will never be alpha dog to a pack without my husband. We have 2 boys (children) and I don't have enough fortitude to discipline them. I always feel they don't listen to me. I tell them to do something and it seems like I have to say it 5 times before they do it. My husband comes home, he tells them to do something and he never has to repeat it. Waaaa. Yeah, I can be such a loser.

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    @anatess I would not call you a loser, it's just kids. I would do the same thing with my mom too. I knew what I could get away with. haha As far as dogs go, I once walked up to a friends house for the first time and their dog was out and at the front door. I looked at the dog and it made a low growl and walked off into the bushes. My friend came to the dog and saw the dog and freaked. You did not get bite? They asked, I said no, and they said I am the only person that has walked up to the door that the dog did not bite. Go figure. haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidh View Post
    @anatess I would not call you a loser, it's just kids. I would do the same thing with my mom too. I knew what I could get away with. haha As far as dogs go, I once walked up to a friends house for the first time and their dog was out and at the front door. I looked at the dog and it made a low growl and walked off into the bushes. My friend came to the dog and saw the dog and freaked. You did not get bite? They asked, I said no, and they said I am the only person that has walked up to the door that the dog did not bite. Go figure. haha
    haha lucky! BUT I bet the dog could sense your energy and knew you loved animals.

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    @cali~jenn haha either that or he knew I would not taste good.
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    @CliffandGriff I bread my Dolly, she had 11 healthy pups, I kept 3 pups out of the litter, two female and one male. I have no personality problems what so ever, the females lay on each other to sleep and the three of them have never been separated from each other, ever. I would do this all over again. They will be 1 on November 30.
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    Default Re: Help! Raising 2 male littermate puppies.

    There's some great advice up there. Keep a strong hand on each of them and always always be the pack leader. There had been many of many of times where I came home and the boys as we called them had scraped. Occasionally with a minor face tooth wound or a splatter of blood on the wall. They never killed each other and it was always Ace that took the burnt of Orion but it was probably always Ace that started it as he was the more gamier of the two. I would do it all over again as I personally LOVED the bond they had. I've only had male dogs so I wouldn't know any difference. I was and am the Alpha in my house. I don't put up with much and even put them in their place like holding them down if needed to submit to me. It's all good.

    Wilson and Jack have quite the bond too and when we rescued Jack at 4 months old and Wilson was 3 months. I knew then that Wilson's attention wouldn't be focused on me as they were both pups.

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    Default Re: Help! Raising 2 male littermate puppies.

    It really all depends on your ability to be the alpha/pack leader. Male/Male or Female/female... is all irrelevant if you and not in charge.
    I think you have a great plan laid out... you may want to change your walk, to walking together, dogs on either end and humans in the middle keeping them in line with you - do not let them walk in front of you as that is preceived as 'leader'.

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    Thanks everyone for the latest responses. I must say I'm very impressed with the warmth, detailed level of advice, etc. on here. You all are great! Attached are a few pics of our boys. Love them! Griffin is the boy with the ear patch and Cliff is the one with the eye patch.
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