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    Hello, we're switching our puppy's food and after hours and hours of research I wanted to go w/Fromm puppy until he turned one. My hubby went to the pet store to pick it up and the guy talked him out of Fromm and talked him into a food called "Pioneer Naturals". I haven't been able to find anything about this food on here, or even much online for EBDs. One thing I read, the protein content was 30% (I think, I could be wrong) and that seems high for this breed. I'm not sure about this because I don't have many opinions to go on, but the man at the pet store highly recommended it...Anyone know anything about it?

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    Default Re: Pioneer Naturals?

    There are quite a few flavors, which one did you get to check the ingredient list.


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    Also, I'm no expert on dog food, but i noticed that all the foods first ingredient consisted of a protein "meal" such as chicken meal, venison meal, buffalo meal, etc. If I'm not mistaken, we should look for those that have a pure protein first such as strictly chicken, venison, etc. I may be wrong, the pros will chime in.


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    It's Pork and the first ingredient is "Pork Meal". I think you are right about first ingredient being strictly protein, I'm afraid of adding anything in though w/the "crude protein" being 28%. He's seems to be doing really well on it, but it's only been 2 feedings. What I've noticed is his energy is higher, his eyes are whiter and more alert - but still has tear stains (reason for switching from Blue Wilderness). I think I"ll stick w/this for a while as long as he's not showing any allergy signs - but I'm still leaning toward Fromm when he's 6-12 months as it's a top on here. Thx for responding, appreciate it!

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    June had tear stains even while on Fromm Puppy so we switched her to the grain free all-stages Fromm food (Beef Frittata and Surf and Turf) at about 5 months and her stains are gone!. Her eyes still water but her face is all white now. Check and see if Pioneer has a grain free food??

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    30% protein is great! In kibbles, the higher the protein content the better especially if it comes from animal source instead of plant.

    Regarding Meal versus whole. The main difference is that the meal is rendered meat - that is, they take the meat, cook it so that all the moisture content of the meat evaporates and all that is left is the dry matter - it gets baked into a meal powder.

    Now, when you're looking at dog food ingredients, having whole meat as the first ingredient, let's take pork for example, and then peas as the next ingredient becomes questionable on whether you are getting more peas than pork. Because, the list is in volume by weight BEFORE it is cooked. Pork is 70% moisture... so in the cooking process all that moisture evaporates (has to be dry to make kibble) and all you are left is 30% of that pork left in the kibble. Peas is high protein... so when the bag says 30% protein content, it's questionable whether most of that protein is from the plant instead of the animal. Protein from plants is not as bio-available as protein from animals, so you may be getting inferior protein in the kibble.

    Now, if your first ingredient is Pork Meal and the 2nd ingredient is peas, you are guaranteed that your protein content on that bag of kibble comes mostly from that pork meal because the volume of pork that is left in the kibble from the cooking process is close to 100% of the pork meal - because the meal is already dry to start off with. Make sense?

    Now, of course, not all Meals are created equal. Note that Meals are a product of the rendering process and lots of rendering plants get their meat from things such as slaughterhouse waste and roadkill. So, just like everything else, you want your meals to have an identifiable meat source... for example Pork Meal and Chicken Meal are a higher quality than Animal Meal or Meat Meal or Poultry Meal. And you don't want anything that says By-Products - like Chicken Meal By-Product. But Pork Meal and Chicken Meal - just fine. Especially if you trust the company that makes the kibble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatess View Post
    30% protein is great! In kibbles, the higher the protein content the better especially if it comes from animal source instead of plant.

    Regarding Meal versus whole. The main difference is that the meal is rendered meat - that is, they take the meat, cook it so that all the moisture content of the meat evaporates and all that is left is the dry matter - it gets baked into a meal powder.

    Now, when you're looking at dog food ingredients, having whole meat as the first ingredient, let's take pork for example, and then peas as the next ingredient becomes questionable on whether you are getting more peas than pork. Because, the list is in volume by weight BEFORE it is cooked. Pork is 70% moisture... so in the cooking process all that moisture evaporates (has to be dry to make kibble) and all you are left is 30% of that pork left in the kibble. Peas is high protein... so when the bag says 30% protein content, it's questionable whether most of that protein is from the plant instead of the animal. Protein from plants is not as bio-available as protein from animals, so you may be getting inferior protein in the kibble.

    Now, if your first ingredient is Pork Meal and the 2nd ingredient is peas, you are guaranteed that your protein content on that bag of kibble comes mostly from that pork meal because the volume of pork that is left in the kibble from the cooking process is close to 100% of the pork meal - because the meal is already dry to start off with. Make sense?

    Now, of course, not all Meals are created equal. Note that Meals are a product of the rendering process and lots of rendering plants get their meat from things such as slaughterhouse waste and roadkill. So, just like everything else, you want your meals to have an identifiable meat source... for example Pork Meal and Chicken Meal are a higher quality than Animal Meal or Meat Meal or Poultry Meal. And you don't want anything that says By-Products - like Chicken Meal By-Product. But Pork Meal and Chicken Meal - just fine. Especially if you trust the company that makes the kibble.

    Hope this helps.



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    Pioneer is grain free and the reason why the pet store guy talked my husband out of Fromm was because of the potato..(?) He said yam would be better... that was a lot of great info above anatess, thank you! So glad I have a great site to refer to when I'm researching!!!

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    Looking at the ingredients I say that food is a big thumbs up! Let us know how it works for you.


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    Thank you, I will! I can tell you one thing, Sebastion's poops have never looked better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurie View Post
    Thank you, I will! I can tell you one thing, Sebastion's poops have never looked better

    LOL! Yeah, I know it is odd that we get excited over our dogs' poop... but can't help it! I admit to having taken a picture of my dog's poop and posting it on the internet. Hah hah.

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    That is too funny, I text my hubby almost daily about his poops and he even told me to take a pic and post, lol...didn't think anyone else would appreciate it the way I do though

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