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    Default Re: Desperate Mumma Looking for a Diet for her Bully with Struvite Bladder Stones!

    Quote Originally Posted by RiiSi View Post
    I would not use vitamin C in this case. Vitamin C is an acid and it will make his urine more acidic. Vitamin C would of been perfect for struvites, but not with cystine stones. Cystine stones like urate stones form in acidic urine and struvites in alkaline urine.
    Sorry. that was a typo. I meant vitamin B complex. I was typing fast and hit the C by accident.

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    Default Re: Desperate Mumma Looking for a Diet for her Bully with Struvite Bladder Stones!

    @BennysMumma So how is Benny doing now. I hope you got my message and some help with nutrition from that consultation. Just worried cause the right way to go with cystine stones is different from struvites.

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    So sorry to hear your boy has cystine stones too my George suffers exactly the same, he was rushed in to surgery in March. I posted on here when I first found out in August 2011, he had several urine infections that led me to ask more questions and found out quite quickly he had cystine crystals about 6 months later I was devastated that he'd blocked. If you do a search on here cystine or cystinuria it should bring my posts up. I've not updated with recent events, but after joining the Yahoo Canine Cystinuria group, I find them great for help and support, about 6 weeks ago I switched to raw for him, with added veg and lots and lots to drink and we're ok, obviously not out the woods but managing ok for now.

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    Hi there. I just seen your private message and responded. I have been so absorbed in research and meetings with vets regarding this trying to find some answers. In my email to you I have shared with what I learned. How old is your George? I am finding that my Benny does not drink that much water. I never really noticed too much before, but now I am since I am watching him like a hawk. I have heard that I can add a chicken broth to his water to make it more flavorful for him to drink it. I have though, been adding a lot of water to his food. I am so fearful he will get blocked again. Then I don't know what I will do. This is his 2nd surgery in two months.

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    Thank you!! Update to come!!!

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    Update...I have been running around and gathering information for the past couple weeks regarding all this. To say I am overwhelmed is an understatement. I did find a holistic vet that spent 3 hours with me. Yes, 3 hours!! I could not believe the care and compassion she had and had information already looked up before I got to meet with her for his appointment. She knows a lot about nutrition in terms of treating for wellness. Although she has not come across cystine in the past 18 years and at that time she was a traditional vet. She has spent the last 8 years going the holistic direction. She told me about feeding according to their nature of origin and this goes along with all dogs. At first she asked me how kibble came about and I said I didn't know. She said years ago our ancestors fed their dogs their scraps from what they ate. Then came a time when the families themselves had little food to spare so they saved their own scraps for later and sent the dogs to go out to eat with the livestock, eating grains and corns and such. Since the dogs could tolerate the livestock feed someone came up with an idea to bag it for dogs and call it dog food. Thus where the problems began. Nature of orgin refers to what the ancestors fed them from once they came. Over in England where our dogs come from, they ate alot of beef, potatoes, cabbage and corn. This is what the English Bulldogs should be eating. She provided me with the amount of cystine in each item which were all pretty low. So I am feeding him a raw food of beef and a mixture of veggie and fruits, along with adding boiled cabbage to it. Talk about a stinky dog!! Well, not yet anyway, only been a week. I am to check is pH levels each day too. Right now they are at 6.4 and she wants them at 6.8. The other vet wanted his pH at 7.2. He also has struvite crystals in his urine too. The vet did say too that although she does want to keep a watch on his pH levels, she believes the answer lies within watching the levels on cystine. Now the vets do not normally do this, but the vet did contact a vetiat the University of Pennsylvania where they can possibley run a test on his cystine levels. I'm hoping a diet will help, but the more I am reading the more I am realizing that a surgery to reroute his urine to where he no longer urinates as a male would be the best option for this to be resolved. The thing is that means an invasive surgery, meaning more money too. It was funny, I was in my Microbiology class today and my professor was talking about cystine and the disulfer phosphates that play a role in bonding the cystine. I asked my professor if there was a way to prevent the bonding, which he said there was not. After class I told him why I was asking and he told me that what it sounds like to him is similar in the disease PKU which is only managed by diet and is also a genetic disorder. It's so disheartening. I find myself constantly worrying if he's going to be able pee each time I let him outside.

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    Default Re: Desperate Mumma Looking for a Diet for her Bully with Struvite Bladder Stones!

    well i hope you give the diet a chance before doing any invasive surgery. i wouldnt rush into anything but just see what happens. he is set up the way he is for a reason and i dunno bout messing with what mother nature set up. im praying this diet will resolve the issue or at least help it so that nothing else is needed to be done. im sure you will do what is best for your baby. good luck and keep us updated.

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    Default Re: Desperate Mumma Looking for a Diet for her Bully with Struvite Bladder Stones!

    Wow, what a crazy roller coaster ride you have been on. No help whatsoever but I agree with trying the food and supplements out before doing any crazy surgery. That just sounds soooo big.

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    Default Re: Desperate Mumma Looking for a Diet for her Bully with Struvite Bladder Stones!

    replied to your PM before reading this, George was 2 in August

    I'm the same with paranoia watching him pee. as well as trying to give veg, I add water to goats milk and make broth with liver or chicken, to encourage him to drink between meals as well as adding water to bone-less meals too
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