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    Default Re: Earthborn Holistic trial, the results are in.

    I'm researching/reading to see if I will make a more... almost 12.00 a bag cheaper if I go with it. But, Banks' colitis is acting up again so I'm not sure it is a good idea to mess with her food.
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    Default Re: Earthborn Holistic trial, the results are in.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2BullyMama View Post
    I'm researching/reading to see if I will make a more... almost 12.00 a bag cheaper if I go with it. But, Banks' colitis is acting up again so I'm not sure it is a good idea to mess with her food.
    I wouldn't unless it would help her in the long run and weigh the risk...the food will always be there when she's feeling better. Just my scarety cat opinion!

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    Default Re: Earthborn Holistic trial, the results are in.

    If this stuff cures tear stains / eye circles whatever the hell ya call em, slap my *** and call me Sally, I'll buy a giant fifty pound bag tomorrow and start eating it myself.

    @cowsmom - what was the protein in Earthborn Hollistic? We can't have chicken here. Does it meet with your approval, Gastronomical Goddess? *snork*

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    Default Re: Earthborn Holistic trial, the results are in.

    It did not help Tidus's stains, but he doesn't really have tear stains. Just the rings around his eyes. It did great on Molly & Jesse however. The great plains formula has no chicken @Vicaroo1000 and if you read the ingredient list, it is pretty good. Bison, Peas, Lamb, I think Potato, Flaxseed oil? Geez I cannot remember but I know I thought it to be a very good combo, nothing like any food I have ever tired before.....

    Tidus got his first meal tonight. Rice, Eggs, Broccoli and Yogurt! Everyone else is doing great on their food so if it isn't broke I am not going to fix it.

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    Default Re: Earthborn Holistic trial, the results are in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vicaroo1000 View Post
    If this stuff cures tear stains / eye circles whatever the hell ya call em, slap my *** and call me Sally, I'll buy a giant fifty pound bag tomorrow and start eating it myself.

    @cowsmom - what was the protein in Earthborn Hollistic? We can't have chicken here. Does it meet with your approval, Gastronomical Goddess? *snork*

    Im not "The Gastro Queen"!! but Jake can't have chicken..and I'm pretty sure he has issues with salmon too! @cowsmom picked this one (great plains feast) to work around his allergies....they have other formulas too..but the bison is one we are trying!

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    Default Re: Earthborn Holistic trial, the results are in.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2BullyMama View Post
    I'm researching/reading to see if I will make a more... almost 12.00 a bag cheaper if I go with it. But, Banks' colitis is acting up again so I'm not sure it is a good idea to mess with her food.
    do i remember right that potato is out? if so a couple of their grain free has potato. just fyi

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    Default Re: Earthborn Holistic trial, the results are in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vicaroo1000 View Post
    If this stuff cures tear stains / eye circles whatever the hell ya call em, slap my *** and call me Sally, I'll buy a giant fifty pound bag tomorrow and start eating it myself.

    @cowsmom - what was the protein in Earthborn Hollistic? We can't have chicken here. Does it meet with your approval, Gastronomical Goddess? *snork*
    earthborn has great protein 1 has like 38 and 2 are 32 i think and then one is 25 or something. long as you stay away from primative natural you should be fine. tell me what that other food was you were feeding with the peas i need to look at it again.

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    Default Re: Earthborn Holistic trial, the results are in.

    Here are some stuff I gathered from a little bit of research. I only go grain-free so I didn't look up the other Earthborn formulas.

    Earthborn has 4 grain-free flavors. Meadow Feast is a new flavor, so you might not have it in your store yet. I usually rotate flavors with my dogs. Blue Wilderness has the same protein/fat/carb content on all 3 flavors they offer so I can just switch flavors easily without changing feed amount. But for Earthborn, each flavor have different nutritional content so you'll need to check before switching flavors within the same formula because you might have to feed lesser or more as you rotate.

    My philosophy:
    I consider a dog food good food if it seems to contain a lot of quality meat (not byproducts or generic animal meals) as the protein source instead of plant matter. Meat proteins are more more readily biologically available to dogs than plant proteins.

    Another measure is if it is low in carbs - the lower the better, with any carb content above 50% automatically a bad dog food.

    I also like dog food with high animal fat content. Yes, it is not good for humans to have high animal fat, but it is good for dogs because it is their main source of essential fatty acids that is needed to sustain energy (yes, Bullys need energy too - so they can carry all that muscle they tend to have a lot of). I like fats within the 15-20% range if they seem to come from quality meat.

    I also like to just read the ingredients list and avoid questionable ingredients. I don't like grains in dog food, especially corn, because dogs lack salivary amylase to process all that carbs before it hits the stomach so it tends to cause allergies to digestive sensitive dogs like Bullys. Corn is very hard to digest for dogs. Of course, you can't make a kibble without carbs - you need the starch to create the dough that makes the meat stick together into a kibble. Usually, though, grain-free kibble use vegetable carbs - usually potatoes or peas - and these carbs are less likely to cause allergies in most dogs.

    I also like food with probiotics and chelated minerals. Probiotics help in boosting the immune and digestive systems. Chelated minerals are used to coat the proteins to help in making the proteins more absorbable. This is why it is easy for Fromm and Blue Wilderness to switch flavors within the brand and possibly easier to switch foods altogether to Fromm/BW because Fromm and BW has probiotics and chelated minerals.

    All Earthborn Grain-Free flavors meet my guidelines of a good dog food. Good amount of quality meat, high fat, low carb, excellent ingredients with probiotics and chelated minerals. But... I'm trying to decide whether to switch from one good food - Blue Wilderness - to another good food - Earthborn. So... onwards with the comparison...


    Meadow Feast (I consider this their limited ingredient grain-free version):
    Lamb Meal, Peas, Tapioca, Canola Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Pea Protein, Pea Fiber, Flaxseed, Natural Flavors, Blueberry Fiber, Cranberry Fiber, Apples, Blueberries, Carrots, Spinach, Cranberries, Salt
    * Canola Oil is a good source of Omega-3 but it is not as readily absorbable to dogs as fish-based oil.

    Protein - 26%
    Peas contain lots of protein, so with only peas and lamb being the main protein sources, there is lesser meat on this than Blue Wilderness.
    Fat - 15%
    Moisture - 10%
    Fiber - 5%
    Estimated Carbs - 41%
    I use my own calc for carbs since this is not provided in the label - I calculated as 100% minus (Protein+Fat+Moisture+Ash). I estimate ash as 8% for high quality foods).

    Feeding Guide - 41 to 60lbs (Bullys are ideally between 45 and 55 lbs) - 2 to 3 cups.

    Great Plains Feast:
    Bison Meal, Peas, Pea Protein, Tapioca, Dried Egg Product, Canola Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Flaxseed, Lamb Meal, Pea Fiber, Natural Flavors, Blueberry Fiber, Cranberry Fiber, Apples, Blueberries, Carrots, Spinach, Cranberries

    Protein - 34%
    You got Bison and Peas as the first 3 ingredients. Lamb Meal is quite far down the line. Still lesser meat than Blue Wilderness.
    Fat - 18%
    Moisture - 10%
    Fiber - 4%
    Estimated Carbs - 30%

    Feeding Guide - 35 to 50lbs - 1 3/4 to 2 1/4 cups
    - 50 to 60lbs - 2 1/4 to 2 3/4 cups
    (note: This is high protein food, so feed less than Meadow Feast).

    Coastal Catch:
    Herring Meal, Potatoes, Peas, Canola Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Pea Protein, Tapioca, Pea Fiber, Dried Egg Product, Sweet Potatoes, Salmon Meal, Whitefish Meal, Flaxseed, Natural Flavor, Blueberry Fiber, Cranberry Fiber, Apples, Blueberries, Carrots, Spinach, Cranberries

    Protein - 32%
    - Besides the first ingredient, the meats are still further down the line. Still doesn't match Blue Wilderness.
    Fat - 18%
    Moisture - 10%
    Fiber - 4%
    Estimated Carbs - 32%

    Feeding Guide - 35 to 50lbs - 1 3/4 to 2 1/4 cups
    - 50 to 60lbs - 2 1/4 to 2 3/4 cups

    Primitive Natural:
    Turkey Meal, Chicken Meal, Whitefish Meal, Potatoes, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), Dried Egg Product, Tomato Pomace, Apples, Blueberries, Carrots, Peas, Spinach, Garlic, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Taurine, Cottage Cheese
    *Now we're talking! I love this one. Meat, Meat, Meat, Plant, Meat. THAT's what a dog food should look like! That's what I like about Blue Wilderness! And this is even BETTER than Blue Wilderness!

    Protein - 38%
    Fat - 20%
    Moisture - 10%
    Fiber - 2.5%
    Estimated Carbs - 24%

    Feeding Guide - 35 to 50lbs - 1 3/4 to 2 1/4 cups
    - 50 to 60lbs - 2 1/4 to 2 3/4 cups
    (This is really high protein food. I'd go with the lower end of that feeding guide when feeding Bullys).


    So... conclusion. I don't think I'm going to switch. There is only 1 flavor here that I find is comparable to Blue Wilderness. And the Primitive Natural is priced higher than the other flavors so it's not much savings for me.

    DISCLAIMER: My dogs are healthy dogs without special medical considerations. All my research is geared towards that. Special needs dogs - for example, dogs with kidney/liver problems should not be on high-protein food - and those with specific dog allergies will probably not benefit much from this research.

    Hope this helps!
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    Default Re: Earthborn Holistic trial, the results are in.

    I am a huge Fromm fan because of what it has done for HRH. So why am I even considering a change? HRH is kind of stuck with Fromm Beef Frittata because of her allergies. The down side of that is that it is always good to rotate protein sources if possible because serving the same source all the time can actually make the dog allergic to that source. So, if HRH does well on Earthborn she would have choices to rotate to. I just wish Fromm had more Grain Free that was also chicken and salmon free so we wouldn't have to go thru the transition when we decide to change protein sources. Fromm has an excellent line of food for those that don't have the issues Princess Gracie has. You can freely switch back and forth between all of Fromms foods without transitioning. That last statement comes directly from a conversation I had recently with Fromm.

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    Default Re: Earthborn Holistic trial, the results are in.

    I love this topic. I just asked petflow to start carrying the 2 new versions of the fromm grain free, so hoping they will have it when I order next. My boys are doing WONDERFUL on fromm. No tear stains whatsoever which as we all know is hard to say with a bully. Miila has none either but she does have allergies. I really couldnt be sure if it is from the dog food or the kids food she insists on stealing tho so changing foods may or may not be a great idea. BUT I like the idea of saving money cuz with these 3 here my gawd I feel like I am feeding an army. hahaha

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    Wow, pricewise it is a HUGE diff. $15 a bag. I ordered my next fromm and a bag of this to try next month. It has lamb tho which used to make Cutty very pink so we will see how that does for his pretty white face.

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