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    @gracoliv

    Thank you for the links to the interesting readings.
    I was referring to the yearly rabbies vaccination which is required by law where I live.
    (Miami-Dade couNty, Florida)

    Other than Parvo, all the other vaccinations that the vet recommends I have always waived. This being my first EB, It will be interesting to read other's reply to this issue....

    Thanks again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaill View Post
    Hi again this is Linda and Presley from East Texas. I think I told that when I got her as a young puppy she was on Bil Jac she had no visible allergies.. but after reading here I decided to do the grain free...I got Earthborn grain free as the local feed store carried it. One of her eyes has "run" constantly since she has been on it and I notice her licking her feet a lot which she never did before. Soooooo I have now ordered Fromm duck and whatever the other part of the name is....to try. I did the pet flow order with FREE shipping which was great. I have it coming in right on payday which is great. If after this bag she isn't better I will go back to bil jac. Maybe she is just the odd duck who is allergic to grain free??? Is that even possible?
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    Just because it's grain-free doesn't mean it's not allergenic.

    Okay, @JAKEISGREAT , here's another long post, but I'll try to keep it simple. LOL!

    Food allergies are caused by whole proteins that for some reason a dog fails to break down in the stomach before it goes to the small intestines. This causes the gastrointestinal immune system to react and send histamine soldiers to attack the protein thereby causing allergy flare-up if it gets to be too much. It's like a false alarm gone wild.

    Okay, that said, allergy is caused by proteins - which is usually present in large quantities in meat sources. So, just because your dog food is grain-free does not mean it has no proteins that your particular dog can't handle!

    Now, why grain-free is better in dog food and how it relates to allergies...

    Dog's digestive system does not process gluten (proteins found in grains) efficiently. Therefore, a dog's stomach has a higher chance of passing gluten to the small intestine intact causing the immune system to send the soldiers... But, not all dogs have a problem breaking down gluten, so why is grain-free still considered better? That is because, a dog doesn't have the proper enzymes in their digestive fluid that can break down carbs present in grain (and all other carb sources in the dog food) either. So, all that carb goes unprocessed straight into the pancreas - the only place that has the enzyme that can break it down. So that, a dog eating lots of carbs are taxing their pancreas. But, sure the pancreas can handle lots of carbs, then what? Where does all the sugar (broken down carbs) go? They get converted to glucose to provide a dog energy in addition to the proteins... but the body stores glucose first before it stores extra proteins so that a dog can easily get obese from a high carb diet. So here you got a triple whammy - not only does the grain tax the dog's digestive system as it tries to break down gluten, it also taxes the pancreas excessively as it tries to break down carbs, then it provides excess glucose that can lead to obesity.

    This is really a common misconception, even here on EBN, that a dog food needs to be lower in protein to prevent obesity. BUT - a lower protein dog food usually means it is higher in carbs! So, you're doing nothing but swapping a properly-dog-digestible calorie for another calorie that a dog is ill-equipped to handle. If your dog is getting too fat, don't swap protein for carbs. Instead, lower the calories - which usually means, feed them less.

    Okay, back to allergies... if your dog is exhibiting food allergies, an easy way to reduce the amount of guess work on what could possibly be causing it is to get an allergy test done. Another method is to do a food elimination diet. That is - if he's allergic to the Fromm Grain-free Duck flavor, then choose a different protein source - like the Fromm Grain-Free Beef (if you're just changing flavors and not formula - like it's still within the same Fromm Grain-free line, you won't need to go through a slow transition). If that doesn't work, then go to a limited ingredient diet - very few protein sources and swap proteins if the symptom persists.

    Hope this helps and not too confusing!

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    P.S. Proteins are not only found in meat...
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    im hungry after that one....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Daniels View Post
    im hungry after that one....
    Now that you mention it... ME TOO! I got rice cooking... lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatess View Post

    Okay, @JAKEISGREAT , here's another long post, but I'll try to keep it simple. ..
    KEEP IT SIMPLE??? Por Moi??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Daniels View Post
    @gracoliv I was referring to the yearly rabbies vaccination which is required by law where I live.
    (Miami-Dade couNty, Florida) Other than Parvo, all the other vaccinations that the vet recommends I have always waived. This being my first EB, It will be interesting to read other's reply to this issue....
    Same here --- only what is required by law (Pennsy)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEISGREAT View Post
    KEEP IT SIMPLE??? Por Moi??
    ROFL!!! Becky, I super missed you! You always brighten my day even if you got Jedi's after me. LOL!!!

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    I did not read all the posts except your initial post so forgive me if this has been pointed out.

    Bulldogs will usually not show any types of allergies until they start going through the teenage years with horomones and such in play. It could be very well conincidence that the time you changed was about the time. Also it is possible your bully is allergic to one specific ingredient in the new food you tried.

    Also as they get older their folds on their face change-- the tear stains could just be the result of an every changing face. This is also why many eye specialists will not do sugeries until after the first year if possible. To make sure the head is fully formed. With bullys however their head does not reach full size until they are around two years of age!

    Also seasonal allergies are generally not a nuisance until after they are around 9 months old. Your puppy may never show any signs of allergy problems until after this age.

    My point of the entire post is that you really will not know what anything will do and even sometimes when you think you have found the perfect food, they can even develop an allergy later and problems can start appearing out of nowhere.

    These bullies are somewhat of a puzzle, especially when they are young.

    As for the Bil Jac-- YUK. No way, corn food. I think things may get worse instead of better if you switch back, even though common sense says that since he did not have problems before it would all get better.

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    she is only 6 months old that is teen years? had no sign of anything until I put her on the grain free.. not disagreeing with anyone and want to do whats best.. just confused.. ;(

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaill View Post
    she is only 6 months old that is teen years? had no sign of anything until I put her on the grain free.. not disagreeing with anyone and want to do whats best.. just confused.. ;(
    Around 6 months - teething time. This can lead to excessive tearing as the jaw realigns, changing the skeletal structure of the dog that can then start pressing onto the tear ducts.

    But, this does not explain the paw licking...

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    [QUOTE=Jack Daniels;136100]@gracoliv

    Thank you for the links to the interesting readings.
    I was referring to the yearly rabbies vaccination which is required by law where I live.
    (Miami-Dade couNty, Florida)


    One more note on the vaccination angle... Most people think the rabies vaccine is mandatory in your province / state / city, however if you actually read the "legislation" you may find its "recommended" but your vet's recomendation superscede. Thats why I had to change vets. Here is a quote from a vet that has studied this extensively(google him too):"Every skin problem you see is due to vaccinations without fail. Later in life, arthritic situations and degenerative spinal dis-eases are the result of vaccines. The rabies vaccine in dogs and cats causes so many problems it isn't funny...personality changes, skin changes, damage to the thyroid and endrocrine systems. It lowers the immune system tremendously. The animal becomes fair game to just about any disease." John Fudens, D.V.M.


    What I did was have a simple blood test done on my dogs (Titer testing) that determines the antibodies to parvo, rabies whatever to determine if they were still protected; I had them tested 2 years after their puppy vaccinations; and there levels of antibodies where very good; Vets recommendation was to test again in about 3 years.

    Again, good luck

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    Over here, although people think that the rabies vaccine is mandatory, my vet says that it's only mandatory to inform the person. It's up to the person if s/he'd like to administer the vaccine.
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