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    Default Re: Breeders selling "mini-English bulldogs"...

    Quote Originally Posted by brutus77 View Post
    When I say Brutus is a typical bulldog, I mean his personality and such. Also, the majority of people on this site have similar health problems with their bulldogs. Ear infections and allergies are very common in bulldogs regardless of breeding.
    I'm sorry, but I have to disagree on that. In my opinion if you do breed only bullies that have no allergies and are not prone to ear infections, the likelyhood is that you get bullys with less allergies and ear infections. A lot of people don't think that allergies and ear infections are such a bad health problem, so why not breed those bullys. Bullys proper rose ears are not the type of ears that are prone to infections, but combine it with allergies and maybe faulty floppy ears and voilá. And coming back to the subject....with these rare colour or mini bulldog breeders it's all about the money they can get for breeding something different. If you have a " rare colour " gene or if it's a small bully, who cares about the rest.

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    While I understand what you are saying, I challenge you to go through this site and show me how many bulldogs have proper rose ears. I agree that lots of breeders are out there for the money, but I think saying who cares about the rest is extreme. Just for the record, I love Brutus' faulty, floppy ears.
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    I'm not saying a bulldog with floppy ears is not as lovable as the one with rose ears, but floppy ears just are more susceptible to get infections, just like the floppy ears of a breed that is supposed to have floppy ears. The breeds that have floppy ears have to have their hair in their ears trimmed, but my guess is that a very few if anyone with a floppy eared bulldog trims the hairs in their bullys ears, even though there is less hairs in bullys ears than for example spaniels.


    Quote Originally Posted by brutus77 View Post
    While I understand what you are saying, I challenge you to go through this site and show me how many bulldogs have proper rose ears. I agree that lots of breeders are out there for the money, but I think saying who cares about the rest is extreme. Just for the record, I love Brutus' faulty, floppy ears.

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    I get asked if Hank is a mini or a puppy or sometimes a Boston Terrier. He is 43 pounds roughly. He has skin issues. Lulu is just over 35 pounds. She is white with chronic ear infection and has had her tail amputated at some point. Dulce was 32pounds at her heaviest and was unable to carry puppies. Out Midge was 25 at her heaviest and we will never know her history. Her size was most likely due to the cleft palate. When people ask me about minis I tell them that mine are just small for the standard. I can't say that the small ones have more issues for sure, but I would stay away from someone who claimed to breed minis. Just my gut.-image-jpg

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    What's interesting is that the breeder I found claims that the "typical" bully issues usually come from their large size. Hmmm, interesting perspectives here. I appreciate all of the opinions.

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    My Wheezie is called a mini or hybrid..There are no such things as minis in my opinion. She is 1/2 French 1/2 English and is 52 lbs.She is shorter than her OE brother by quite a bit and solo cute.She is registered through a Hybrid club.She has totally control over her ears and can stand them straight up.They said she'd be about 40-45 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cali Doll View Post
    What's interesting is that the breeder I found claims that the "typical" bully issues usually come from their large size. Hmmm, interesting perspectives here. I appreciate all of the opinions.
    I think that claim has got to be false. Most OEs are a bit bigger to substantially bigger than a EB....I think they are the closest mix/hybid to an EB and they do not have as many health issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiiSi View Post
    It is sometimes very worrying to hear said that this and that is typical of bullies....A lot less would be typical of bullies if bullies with these traits would not be bred.
    My thoughts EXACTLY. !!!! Well said, and needed to be said.
    What is thought of as "typical" is what the vast mass media shows and portrays as the "normal" EBD with "these/those" problems.

    The only reason bulldogs HAVE these problems is because bad breeders caused them. Cattle ranchers cull their herd. Bad breeders SELL their's...

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    I think you are missing the point of my comment when I say "typical". Most bullies have allergies, even those from the best breeders. Quite frankly, I'm kinda over this whole discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brutus77 View Post
    I think you are missing the point of my comment when I say "typical". Most bullies have allergies, even those from the best breeders. Quite frankly, I'm kinda over this whole discussion.
    I agree with@brutus77 . Many people on this site have rescue bulldogs, many warn people thinking about getting one to do their homework about all their typical issues before getting one. Many come here because they need help or advice because of a "typical" bulldog issue. They will more often than not have bad ears , eyes and allergies. We have 2 bullys, both have issues. I have said a few times Winston never should have been bred and he was a stud in his previous home. He was a mess when we got him, he has traits that I'm sure were passed on sadly. Trigger was a puppy who was labeled "unbreedable" so he was discarded. I feel it is far more common to see/hear about bullys with issues then not. Do I wish back yard breeders would stop? Yes. I really do. However, I know people who did spend 2-3k for a pup from very well known breeder who turns out sicker then my back yard pups. You never know what your getting. Good luck all!

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    Default Re: Breeders selling "mini-English bulldogs"...

    I think there's a misunderstanding here..
    @RiiSi I absolutely agree with you that bulldogs with any type of health issue should not be bred. I've been talking to friends who work for rescues, wondering how to start my own non-profit organization that registers crappy breeders and pet stores. Holding them financially responsible for poor breeding and putting their sorry butts out of business!

    When I think of all the issues Blue's allergies cause, and I see how uncomfortable he is, my heart just breaks.
    It's also a huge financial responsibility. The testing, medications, allergy therapy, constant infections caused by allergies.. etc. Most people can't afford these kinds of bills. Others go into debt trying to help their dogs. Either way, this should not be happening. And yes, I blame poor breeding and not enough health testing.

    But, I also understand what @brutus77 is saying.
    In the U.S these are (unfortunate as it is) typical bulldog issues. We just try to control them with proper nutrition, and medication. Most of us haven't had a bulldog without any health issues so this is "normal" to us.

    I think the question becomes do we just accept it like we've been doing, or do we try to change it. But trying to change it will most definitely change the breed standard as well. Aside from allergies, they also have breathing and joint issues. While these problems can be hereditary, they're also part of the bulldogs physiology. Are we ready to change that too? Because we can't be for one, and not the other.


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    I have no idea where this question would be most appropriate; however, I figure I'd post it here. I am in communication with a breeder (NOT a "mini" breeder) and her response to my question about whether the bully comes with her AKC papers is this:

    "I am a breeder of merit which means I send all the paperwork to register all the puppies myself, so you do have to write a check to AKC for that to be done but it's given to me and we fill it all out together and I mail it to AKC and they forward all paperwork to the new owner."

    Is this unusual?

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